# Trump, you're making it hard to support you with these wiretap/vote fraud claims! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388 "2017-03-04T16:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/261 "2017-03-08T09:00:57Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > My bet is that he thinks transwomen are so pathetically desperate for male attention (on account of their being unable to “compete” with “real” women, you know :rolleyes: ) that they would be willing to “settle” for a short man. And what makes him so furious is the (imagined) implied expectation that **he** is likewise so pathetically desperate for female attention that he ought to be willing to “settle” for a “not-real” transwoman, in a cozy little romantic bubble of mutual contempt, resentment and despair. > > The inside of **DerekMichaels00** ’s head sounds like a horrible place to be, for many reasons that have nothing to do with its smaller-than-average distance from the ground. Don’t get him started on two percent milk. And seitan beef. (They almost taste the same.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/262 "2017-03-08T09:06:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Nah, its the same number of hamsters, just put more meth in their food. Live fast, die young, flush. It doesn’t HAVE to be meth. Maybe the hamster fetishists have found the board and the hamsters are relaxed and energetic because they’re finally gettin’ some… ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/263 "2017-03-08T09:16:23Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > This could happen as no one, absolutely no one ever sticks up for short men (men from 4’10’’ to 5’6’‘, bigger than legal dwarf \<4’10’'); there is no “short shaming,” etc. Short men are bullied, made fun of, shunned, passed over, and unlike fat chicks, not bc of a lack of discipline/diet. It seems like the reason for the left’s not caring about involunarily short men but voluntarily fat chicks and tranny “women” is because of hatred of men on the part of the left/feminism. Have you ever tried not being short? You know, praying it away or something. ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/264 "2017-03-08T11:02:21Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Have you ever tried not being short? You know, praying it away or something. Or move. There are nations where 5’6’’ is pretty normal. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/265 "2017-03-08T11:45:36Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > Or move. There are nations where 5’6’’ is pretty normal. Oompa-loompa Land for example. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/266 "2017-03-08T15:46:28Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m a short guy, about 5’5". Yeah, the dating pool is a little smaller for us short guys. Most women who prefer tall guys won’t mention that, because it’s rude to mention it, but plenty of women prefer to date men taller than them, and most of those women aren’t in my dating pool. > > I have a friend, a lovely woman who’s about 6’ tall. A few times when we talked about dating she mentioned her preference for tall guys, and mock-apologized to me, and it was a little uncomfortable; we weren’t gonna date anyway, there was no real need for her to point that out. But it was small potatoes, not something to get worked up over. > > And the thing is, plenty of people have their dating pool restricted by something they can’t control. I know **Derek** thinks weight is entirely in a person’s control, but that’s a superstitious view that ignores a tremendous amount of biological research. Some folks have a skin color, or a hair type, or a disability, or a mental illness, that restricts their dating pool. Sucks, but there it is. > > None of those reasons are the fault of the people who aren’t attracted to you. I’m a tall woman. I “prefer” men that are taller than me. If you’re short and I see you walking down the street, I’m probably not going to look at you and think salacious thoughts. But while that preference may apply to random strangers, it’s different for guys that I’ve met. Despite my preference I’ve dated plenty of men shorter than myself and even had crushes on short guys once I get to know them. In fact, once I get to know someone my preferences go out the window pretty fast. I have a nephew that is 4’11". He was born female. He recently got married to a gorgeous cisgender woman that is taller than he is ( because, who isn’t?). He is very much affected by these stupid bathroom laws - he and his wife are both very stylish and they both favor traditional gender specific clothing and personal styling -I’m not sure if I’m saying this well, but she tends to wear dresses and frills and lacy things and he favors natty suits with cool neckties and has a substantial beard - if he walks into the ladies room no ones going to be thinking "Is that a man or a woman? they’ll be thinking OMG a MAN just walked into the ladies room. I’m not sure why I’m sharing this. I don’t really get DM00’s theories but I’m sure my nephew and his wife fit in somehow, he probably “got” a girl that should’ve gone to him or something. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/267 "2017-03-08T16:43:11Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’m not sure why I’m sharing this. I don’t really get DM00’s theories but I’m sure my nephew and his wife fit in somehow, he probably “got” a girl that should’ve gone to him or something. DM’s issue is that he’s attributing his derth of nookie to genetic, non-manipulable factors (i.e. height) when it can more readily be explained by other, more immediately disqualifying yet more malleable ones (i.e. his being a raging, bitter, repulsively misogynistic cunt). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/268 "2017-03-08T17:04:28Z")
Which somehow leads to a voting for man who doesn’t know what the President’s job is for president. (pulls a pencil from off-camera and starts doing math in the air) It just don’t add up!!! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/269 "2017-03-08T17:09:02Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Which somehow leads to a voting for man who doesn’t know what the President’s job is for president. > > (pulls a pencil from off-camera and starts doing math in the air) > > It just don’t add up!!! Derek has a crush on Trump. The fact that Trump would feel contempt for him (contempt which he deserves, but for entirely different reasons) will not dissuade him from his crushy crushes. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/270 "2017-03-08T19:57:04Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > DM’s issue is that he’s attributing his derth of nookie to genetic, non-manipulable factors (i.e. height) when it can more readily be explained by other, more immediately disqualifying yet more malleable ones (i.e. his being a raging, bitter, repulsively misogynistic cunt). [Moderating] Don’t call other posters cunts, even if they’ve been suspended. The poster’s been suspended, I mean. Not the cunts. But Suspended Cunts would be a great punk band name. Anyway, my point is: no warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/271 "2017-03-08T20:24:59Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > But Suspended Cunts would be a great punk band name. Or [Kim Ki-Duk movie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isle). ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/272 "2017-03-08T20:26:27Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > …Suspended Cunts would be a great punk band name… Dunno. To me it sounds like a particularly unpleasant and misogynistic form of torture. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/273 "2017-03-08T20:27:26Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > Don’t call other posters cunts, even if they’ve been suspended. > [/Moderating] Can we say “bigoted twerp with the brains of concussed radish” instead? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/274 "2017-03-08T20:48:34Z")
Going back to OP: to be fair, whatever the Combover In Chief does to aggravate and dishearten those who rallied to him just for the satisfaction of spitting into our faces, we should take as a teaching opportunity to point to them that the Right was actually doing quite well already and that they could have done a damn lot better than Orangeboy. We told you he was a hot mess and would make one of the country. _The other fucking Republicans_ told you. You had 18 choices, dammit. You could have chosen Horrible Hillary with a GOP Congress to keep her in check. But nooooo you wanted to taste our tears. Enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/275 "2017-03-08T21:05:31Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating]But Suspended Cunts would be a great punk band name. All girl-band, except their bassist Chad. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/276 "2017-03-08T21:30:09Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > All girl-band, except their bassist Chad. Hold on, bassists have names? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/277 "2017-03-08T21:44:35Z")
Arise, [Sir Bass Player.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Paul_McCartney_black_and_white_2010.jpg/800px-Paul_McCartney_black_and_white_2010.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/278 "2017-03-08T22:10:29Z")
Sen. Lindsey Graham said Wednesday he is ready to [subpoena the intelligence agencies](http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/graham-wiretap-russia-subpoena/) for evidence that would prove President Donald Trump’s claims that he was wiretapped last year by then-President Barack Obama. I wonder how this is going to work out. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/279 "2017-03-08T22:22:55Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Sen. Lindsey Graham said Wednesday he is ready to [subpoena the intelligence agencies](http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/graham-wiretap-russia-subpoena/) for evidence that would prove President Donald Trump’s claims that he was wiretapped last year by then-President Barack Obama. > > I wonder how this is going to work out. Like Watergate and Whitewater, once such investigations get started they have a way of spreading far and wide. Trump made a major blunder (even for Trump) in raising those allegations. Also from that article: > [@](#): > > Sen. Susan Collins, a Maine Republican and member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, left the door open to requesting Trump’s tax returns as part of their investigation – something that could detail or dispel pervasive rumors of Trump’s business ties in Russia. Actually, I’m surprised that Anonymous or WikiLeaks hasn’t gotten hold of and released Trump’s tax returns yet. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/280 "2017-03-08T22:37:29Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Like Watergate and Whitewater, once such investigations get started they have a way of spreading far and wide. Investigations far more regularly go nowhere, or result in reports that are buried (for “security” reasons, amongst others). Watergate and Whitewater became notorious but they are more the exception that the rule. With a GOP controlled house, there’s every chance pragmatism will prevail. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=15)