# Trump, you're making it hard to support you with these wiretap/vote fraud claims! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388 "2017-03-04T16:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/281 "2017-03-08T23:05:34Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Investigations far more regularly go nowhere, or result in reports that are buried (for “security” reasons, amongst others). Watergate and Whitewater became notorious but they are more the exception that the rule. With a GOP controlled house, there’s every chance pragmatism will prevail. There are a couple of Republicans who it’s pretty clear think Trump is insane. An investigation that destroyed him and put Pence in charge while leaving their hands clean would be ideal from their perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/282 "2017-03-08T23:21:29Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > There are a couple of Republicans who it’s pretty clear think Trump is insane. An investigation that destroyed him and put Pence in charge while leaving their hands clean would be ideal from their perspective. And the sooner they do it, the better, from their POV. Excise the tumor, let the healing begin. Ideally, Trump’s a distant memory by 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/283 "2017-03-09T00:23:31Z")
Is “a couple” enough to force through investigations that a majority of Republicans may not want? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/284 "2017-03-09T02:13:15Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Is “a couple” enough to force through investigations that a majority of Republicans may not want? The Republicans had 52 seats in the Senate in 1994 (appointment of Ken Starr as special investigator). Democrats now have 48 seats (including Independents), so wouldn’t need that many defectors to get to same makeup as in 1994. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/285 "2017-03-09T02:24:30Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > With a GOP controlled house, there’s every chance pragmatism will prevail. Pragmatism would mean installing Pence. Trump offers Republicans absolutely no advantage over Pence and an enormous downside. With the total chaos he’s inflicting, he’s interfering with enacting their agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/286 "2017-03-09T02:41:07Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Pragmatism would mean installing Pence. Trump offers Republicans absolutely no advantage over Pence and an enormous downside. With the total chaos he’s inflicting, he’s interfering with enacting their agenda. Except that he’s ginning up an enthusiastic sector of their base and providing crucial cover for their undrained swamp. Without Trump swaggering around, a lot of deplorables and non-deplorable “shakeup” advocates are going to start noticing that the government looks a hell of a lot like the same old establishment elite that Trump told them he’d kick to the curb. (Of course, even **with** Trump at its (figure)head the government looks a hell of a lot like that same old establishment elite, but as long as Trump’s still around the Trumpsters won’t really notice.) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/287 "2017-03-09T03:57:33Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Except that he’s ginning up an enthusiastic sector of their base and providing crucial cover for their undrained swamp. We’ll see how it shakes out, but this is in no way a normal presidency. Those who say there is no way a Republican congress would impeach Trump I think are making unwarranted assumptions. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/288 "2017-03-09T04:14:10Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Sen. Lindsey Graham said Wednesday he is ready to [subpoena the intelligence agencies](http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/graham-wiretap-russia-subpoena/) for evidence that would prove President Donald Trump’s claims that he was wiretapped last year by then-President Barack Obama. I don’t think that Graham is all in on the “wiretapp” idea. I do think that he is at least as worried about Trumps contact with Russians. From [here](http://www.postandcourier.com/politics/lunch-over-sen-lindsey-graham-asks-justice-department-for-evidence/article_4cb96a80-0422-11e7-a5d3-972498e22c9d.html)" > [@](#): > > “We would take any abuse of wiretapping authorities for political purposes very seriously," the letter added. "We would be equally alarmed to learn that a court found enough evidence of criminal activity or contact with a foreign power to legally authorize a wiretap of President Trump, the Trump Campaign, or Trump Tower.” ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/289 "2017-03-09T04:20:30Z")
I’m nor Lindsay Graham fan, but I got the impression he didn’t believe the bogus wiretap claims and would like to embarrass Trump by showing they’re not true. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/290 "2017-03-09T04:53:22Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/291 "2017-03-09T04:59:14Z")
It would be such a sweet form of treachery for the Steel Magnolia to pretend to totally believe Il Douche on this one, dabbing his eyes with a lilac-scented hanky while demanding a thorough and pubic investigation to clear his name. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/292 "2017-03-09T05:21:33Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > shut up bigtard you are a useless waste of oxygene with your stupid nannying. No wonder you draw such contempt. Following me around in a different thread isn’t going to change anything. I very nicely mentioned something you said came off badly. At the same time, I told someone else not to make fun of your English. For some reason, you just flipped the fuck out. I don’t really care about contempt from people who are treating me badly. I’m sorry. There’s nothing wrong with telling DM00 that **iiandyiiii** being mad at him means he’s really fucked up. You’re free to continue following me around and trying to make fun of me. Do know, however, that I won’t see any of it. It’s too bad, too. I had some respect for you before. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/293 "2017-03-09T05:50:39Z")
We interrupt this thread with the latest [Quinnipiac poll](https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2437). ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/294 "2017-03-09T05:56:40Z")
This may be pertinent: [White House Officials Say Trump Isn’t Target of Any Investigation](White House Officials Say Trump Isn’t Target of Any Investigation) What are the odds that Trump would make hyperbolic statements? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/295 "2017-03-09T06:53:52Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > We’ll see how it shakes out, but this is in no way a normal presidency. Those who say there is no way a Republican congress would impeach Trump I think are making unwarranted assumptions. I can’t speak for anyone else but I don’t assume they wouldn’t. I just think that’s a real chance. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/296 "2017-03-09T07:19:28Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > Can we say “bigoted twerp with the brains of concussed radish” instead? I’m not a PTB, but TTBOMK, that’s perfectly within our standards, as long as it’s in the Pit. It’s up to you how much want to be seen as the guy hurling abuse at the man in the Penalty Box. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/297 "2017-03-09T11:41:55Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > bigger than legal dwarf \<4’10’’ Out of curiosity, does “dwarf” even _have_ a legal definition? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/298 "2017-03-09T12:40:35Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > We interrupt this thread with the latest [Quinnipiac poll](https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2437). Wow. Well-respected, non-partisan polling shows how so many Americans disagree with almost everything Trump says and does (and they think Sessions should resign). I’m relieved and heartened about Americans – but it makes you wonder even more how this guy won the election. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/299 "2017-03-09T13:40:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Out of curiosity, does “dwarf” even _have_ a legal definition? [No, a medical one.](https://medlineplus.gov/dwarfism.html) (Which is, indeed, an adult height of under 4’10".) ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/300 "2017-03-09T14:28:52Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Wow. Well-respected, non-partisan polling shows how so many Americans disagree with almost everything Trump says and does (and they think Sessions should resign). I’m relieved and heartened about Americans – but it makes you wonder even more how this guy won the election. 26% of eligible voters, in the right places. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=16)