# Trump, you're making it hard to support you with these wiretap/vote fraud claims! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388 "2017-03-04T16:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/61 "2017-03-04T21:30:01Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > The other shoe just dropped. 🙂 bye. Fuck off! 🙂 bye. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/62 "2017-03-04T21:34:21Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > You think a sitting president who access to every intel agency we have, and has the codes to the Nukes, and advisors-who have advisors-who have advisors, would come out and make a tweet like this without having evidence? Yes, yes, he’s proven 1000 times that he’s that dumb. Remember what happened in Sweden? (yeah, I know I’m engaging a blatant troll, but sometimes it’s fun playing…) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/63 "2017-03-04T21:34:33Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > You think a sitting president who access to every intel agency we have, and has the codes to the Nukes, and advisors-who have advisors-who have advisors, would come out and make a tweet like this without having evidence? This is Trump. He _ **may** _ have a mole hill, but usually turns it into a lie when he turns it into a mountain: > **[Jennifer Hawkins defends Donald Trump after awkward video](https://www.standard.net.au/story/4259263/jennifer-hawkins-defends-donald-trump-after-awkward-video/?cs=12)** > > Hawkins said Trump had respected her after she won the beauty pageant, which he owned at the time. > [@](#): > > The video clip begins with Trump telling the audience he believes in exacting revenge. > > “I believe, get even with people, if they screw you, screw them back, 10 times harder,” And he will do it even when having no evidence, Trump does turn his revenge on others at the mere appearance of not getting a good deal from others. > [@arfurvirus](#): > > I suspect, like I’ve come to realize over the last several months, that Trump is in a “bait” stage and waiting to hammer the libs when they have trapped themselves into a narrative. Nope, [what was going on was the corporate media was falling for the narrative that Trump was **finally** becoming presidential](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2017/03/02/swooning-over-trump-speech-proved-gop-media-bashing-works/215522). Did not last long. This is once again how incompetently Trump reacts to bad news by making them worse thanks to how he reacts to them. > [@arfurvirus](#): > > Liberals are an enemy of this country. They’ve proven that. They lie, cheat, and do everything to is counter-productive to National security, sovereignty, economic prosperity. > Enemy of the people. The media is in bed with them and part of the problem As pointed before the corporate media was beginning to turn like the puppy press when Bush the lesser was president. Trump just showed all how inept he is even when he was given a softball pitch. > [@arfurvirus](#): > > Ladies and Gentlemen, you are witnessing the end of the “Democratic” Party. Too funny, even republican congress critters are agreeing that investigations of what Trump and henchmen arranged with Russia should take place > [@arfurvirus](#): > > Do you think it was a coincidence that Trump waited until AFTER the DNC allied itself with the Obama/Hilarryites, and tossed the Sanders crowd on thier assses? Waited for what? You pathogenic disinherited one? > [@arfurvirus](#): > > The other shoe just dropped. 🙂 bye. As even the rabid right winger OP can tell you that the other show did drop indeed, for conservatives that support Trump to finally rub at least two brain cells together to begin to realize that Trump should not be defended for his constant idiotic moves. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/64 "2017-03-04T21:48:36Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I doubt Trump views liberals as enemies of the state, or even much cares who is an enemy of the state. He’s just lashing out at whoever seems to be an enemy of him personally, and that’s pretty much everyone who hasn’t publicly recognized his greatness or hasn’t publicly recognized it _enough_. If he’d run and won as a Democrat (not a far-fetched hypothetical at all, I figure), it’d be the most recent Republican president who’d persecuted him. [https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/articles/2016-01-14/donald-trump-donated-to-democrats-until-2008](https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/articles/2016-01-14/donald-trump-donated-to-democrats-until-2008) This is why Trump ran as a GOP ! LOL! He was a Democrat before becoming a GOP. I heard Trump say right on TV that “he like stupid people then he said no I love stupid people !” He said this to his supporters who were too stupid to know they just been insulted , they were capping and cheering ! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/65 "2017-03-04T22:16:36Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > “AKA transvestitism.” Think Khrushchev in panties, peekaboo bra, and garter belt. …Can he be slow-dancing with J. Edgar Hoover in a ball gown? ---
**Author:** ![Fruitbat2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Fruitbat2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fruitbat2)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/66 "2017-03-04T22:25:12Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > You think a sitting president who access to every intel agency we have, and has the codes to the Nukes, and advisors-who have advisors-who have advisors, would come out and make a tweet like this without having evidence? > I suspect, like I’ve come to realize over the last several months, that Trump is in a “bait” stage and waiting to hammer the libs when they have trapped themselves into a narrative. > Liberals are an enemy of this country. They’ve proven that. They lie, cheat, and do everything to is counter-productive to National security, sovereignty, economic prosperity. > Enemy of the people. The media is in bed with them and part of the problem > > Ladies and Gentlemen, you are witnessing the end of the “Democratic” Party. > > Do you think it was a coincidence that Trump waited until AFTER the DNC allied itself with the Obama/Hilarryites, and tossed the Sanders crowd on thier assses? > The other shoe just dropped. 🙂 bye. Donald… is it you? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/67 "2017-03-04T22:33:52Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > You think a sitting president who access to every intel agency we have, and has the codes to the Nukes, and advisors-who have advisors-who have advisors, would come out and make a tweet like this without having evidence? You are just precious! Trump tweets whatever crap flows into his brainstem at 3:00 AM. [Donald Trump fact check:](http://globalnews.ca/news/3287806/donald-trump-fact-check-his-claims-about-nato-jobs-military-immigration-are-mostly-false/) His claims about NATO, jobs, military, immigration are mostly false Claim after claim after claim that Trump has made - all proven to be false. Lie after lie after lie that Trump has told. Blatant, obvious easy to see lies. All documented. > [@](#): > > TRUMP: “We’ve saved taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars by bringing down the price” of the F-35 jet fighter. > THE FACTS: The cost savings he persists in bragging about were secured in full or in large part before he became president. > [@](#): > > TRUMP: “Since my election, Ford, Fiat-Chrysler, General Motors, Sprint, Softbank, Lockheed, Intel, Wal-Mart and many others have announced that they will invest billions of dollars in the United States and will create tens of thousands of new American jobs.” > THE FACTS: Trump is taking credit for corporate jobs decisions that predate his election. > [@](#): > > TRUMP: His budget plan will offer “one of the largest increases in national defense spending in American history.” > THE FACTS: Three times in recent years, Congress raised defense budgets by larger percentages than the $54 billion, or 10 percent, And on and on and on. Completely transparent falsehoods. Lies. Utter crap. Spewed by your liar in chief. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/68 "2017-03-04T22:34:26Z")
> [@Fruitbat2](#): > > Donald… is it you? No, it’s John Miller. Totally different guy. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/69 "2017-03-04T23:03:19Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > Ladies and Gentlemen, you are witnessing the end of the “Democratic” Party. Democrats have nothing left but to grasp at straws. They are done. It’s the end of the Democratic party. And yet, with the Democrats soundly defeated and out of the way, the Republicans have yet to figure out how to get pretty much any of their agenda rolling. Trump, the most powerful man in the united states, has resorted to demanding, on Twitter, that people be investigated. Who is he making those demands to? Has he not realized that he’s in charge of every US agency that might be capable of actually, you know, doing that? Has he realized that the incredible power of the US intelligence community _reports to him_, and can therefore tell him everything he wants to know about wiretapping without having to hear about it from Brietbart and make wild guesses about what’s actually happening? Yes, the Democrats are finished, and what’s left in view is the full impotence of Trump and the Republican party. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/70 "2017-03-04T23:46:15Z")
Wiretap shmiretap. That’s nothing. Remember Obama is the “founder of ISIS” according to Trump during the campaign. We gotta send Team 6 on a mission to kill Obama if we are serious about fighting terrorism. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/71 "2017-03-04T23:54:11Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > sexual communism (aka transvestitism) Are you shitting me? You are one fucked up, despicable piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/72 "2017-03-05T00:39:48Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Trump wants to seize the means of reproduction. more like liberals want to erase sexual orientation’s existence by rendering gender irrelevant either into something “gender fluid” or obfuscated into 32 genders so “what is gay vs straight?”, just as the communists wanted to eliminate money/incentive so there could be a classless society so “what is rich vs poor” if everyone was one class? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/73 "2017-03-05T00:48:33Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > more like liberals want to erase sexual orientation’s existence by rendering gender irrelevant either into something “gender fluid” or obfuscated into 32 genders so “what is gay vs straight?” Now, now, you could be any one of the 32 and still be disgusting, so isn’t your gender irrelevant without us doing anything? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/74 "2017-03-05T00:57:58Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > sexual communism Worst band name ever. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/75 "2017-03-05T00:59:15Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > bye. Probably the only useful thing you’ve ever posted on this board, you disgusting America-hating shitstain. And if my fellow Dopers would be considerate enough to not quote you, likely the last word out of you I’ll ever have to read. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/76 "2017-03-05T01:14:33Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > Liberals are an enemy of this country. It’s a shame that you have such hatred and disdain for myself and many other veterans (who happen to be politically liberal) who served honorably in the military. I should probably learn to get over it, but it still always bothers me a bit when my fellow Americans think that so many veterans like me are such scum simply for disagreeing on some political issues. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/77 "2017-03-05T01:15:55Z")
Noted leftie blog\* Redstate[has opined that](http://www.redstate.com/kimberly_ross/2017/03/04/sasse-statement-trump-wiretap-claims/): > [@](#): > > Claims are one thing, but we need to deal in actual proof. If the president of the United State is to offer up the idea that wiretapping did occur, he should be ready with evidence to back it up. **Otherwise, it looks like an attempt to distract from something else.** Bolding mine And leftie, Obama-loving senator\* Ben Sasse of the leftie state\* Nebraska has [demanded that Trump explain](http://www.businessinsider.com/sasse-demands-trump-explain-obama-wiretapping-claims-2017-3) his wiretapping accusations. > [@](#): > > “The President today made some very serious allegations, and the informed citizens that a republic requires deserve more information,” Sasse said. He continued: “ **We are in the midst of a civilization-warping crisis of public trust** , and the President’s allegations today demand the thorough and dispassionate attention of serious patriots.”]" It is untrue that Sasse’s first statement needed heavy editing, after it first said: “This cheeto-faced shitgibbon has to put up or shut up now, before he fucks up the entire country, and more importantly, the GOP” \*sarcasm ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/78 "2017-03-05T01:22:14Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > more like liberals want to erase sexual orientation’s existence by rendering gender irrelevant either into something “gender fluid” or obfuscated into 32 genders so “what is gay vs straight?”, just as the communists wanted to eliminate money/incentive so there could be a classless society so “what is rich vs poor” if everyone was one class? No they don’t, liar. Why do you make up bigoted bullshit like this all the time? What’s wrong with you? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/79 "2017-03-05T01:24:33Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > more like liberals want to erase sexual orientation’s existence by rendering gender irrelevant either into something “gender fluid” or obfuscated into 32 genders so “what is gay vs straight?”, just as the communists wanted to eliminate money/incentive so there could be a classless society so “what is rich vs poor” if everyone was one class? Wouldn’t matter a bit to you, since you have no class. Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/80 "2017-03-05T01:38:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s a shame that you have such hatred and disdain for myself and many other veterans (who happen to be politically liberal) who served honorably in the military. I should probably learn to get over it, but it still always bothers me a bit when my fellow Americans think that so many veterans like me are such scum simply for disagreeing on some political issues. I thank you for your service to our country and for protecting us. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=5)