# Trump, you're making it hard to support you with these wiretap/vote fraud claims! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388 "2017-03-04T16:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/81 "2017-03-05T01:52:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Noted leftie blog\* Redstate[has opined that](http://www.redstate.com/kimberly_ross/2017/03/04/sasse-statement-trump-wiretap-claims/): > Bolding mine > > And leftie, Obama-loving senator\* Ben Sasse of the leftie state\* Nebraska has [demanded that Trump explain](http://www.businessinsider.com/sasse-demands-trump-explain-obama-wiretapping-claims-2017-3) his wiretapping accusations. > > It is untrue that Sasse’s first statement needed heavy editing, after it first said: “This cheeto-faced shitgibbon has to put up or shut up now, before he fucks up the entire country, and more importantly, the GOP” > > \*sarcasm I’ve never heard about Ben Sasse and I don’t have my blue and red states well down, being European and all that, but I’m so fucking glad that I once hear a voice of reason, from which side ever, but especially from the GOP’s side, which appeals to a common interest of your nation and rejects partisanship: [Quote= Ben Sasse, obviously a Nebraskan Republican] A quest for the full truth, rather than knee-jerk partisanship, must be our guide if we are going to rebuild civic trust and health. [/Quote] Sheesh, really people, watching all this extreme political polarization between “Liberals” and “Conservatives”, or alternatively “Democrats” and “Republicans” over the last years is painful to watch. These categories don’t even make sense in most other countries, so please get rid of this ridiculous virtual dualism. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/82 "2017-03-05T01:57:08Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > more like liberals want to erase sexual orientation’s existence by rendering gender irrelevant either into something “gender fluid” or obfuscated into 32 genders so “what is gay vs straight?”, just as the communists wanted to eliminate money/incentive so there could be a classless society so “what is rich vs poor” if everyone was one class? You need to keep the cat off your keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/83 "2017-03-05T02:40:44Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > more like liberals want to erase sexual orientation’s existence by rendering gender irrelevant either into something “gender fluid” or obfuscated into 32 genders so “what is gay vs straight?”, just as the communists wanted to eliminate money/incentive so there could be a classless society so “what is rich vs poor” if everyone was one class? Even if there were 32 genders, you would still never get laid. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/84 "2017-03-05T03:43:36Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > You think a sitting president who access to every intel agency we have, and has the codes to the Nukes, and advisors-who have advisors-who have advisors, would come out and make a tweet like this without having evidence? > [@Fruitbat2](#): > > Donald… is it you? Nah, Twitterer-in-Chief would never use the word evidence. It makes him come out in a rash. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/85 "2017-03-05T03:50:05Z")
Hey, if I want to spend tens of millions of dollars on experimental genetic manipulation to attempt to become a Hermaphroditic Raknar, that should be my right. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/86 "2017-03-05T04:03:14Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > I’ve never heard about Ben Sasse and I don’t have my blue and red states well down, being European and all that, but I’m so fucking glad that I once hear a voice of reason, from which side ever, but especially from the GOP’s side, which appeals to a common interest of your nation and rejects partisanship: > > … More on Sasse, not so much a voice of reason, as another wishy-washy mealy-mouth: > [@](#): > > …Most Americans hadn’t heard of Ben Sasse when a little over two months ago he became the first Republican senator to declare that he would not support Donald Trump even if he became the GOP nominee, and most Americans still probably haven’t heard of him. None of his Republican colleagues have joined Sasse yet, and his lonely stand is going to make him a much more prominent figure in the coming months — in fact, we shouldn’t be surprised if this period becomes the opening of his 2020 presidential campaign. > > After you read all the glowing coverage of Sasse’s declaration of dissent, I’d encourage you to read the post itself. Because it’s every bit as juvenile, pandering, and phony as anything that comes out of Donald Trump’s mouth. > … > > But he’s playing a game here, one that says that you don’t need to actually understand anything about policy, that the “adult” response to the current political situation is a formless grunt of displeasure. That’s the worst kind of pandering, to tell people that their own ignorance and refusal to confront real choices is actually the soul of wisdom. > > So Sasse goes on: “Washington isn’t fooling anyone — Neither political party works. They bicker like children about tiny things, and yet they can’t even identify the biggest issues we face. They’re like a couple arguing about what color to paint the living room, and meanwhile, their house is on fire.” > > Really? The disagreements that divide Republicans and Democrats are just “tiny things”? In recent years the two parties have argued about what the tax system should look like, whether we should privatize Medicare, whether America should default on its debt, whether we should address climate change, whether gay Americans deserve the same rights as straight Americans, whether we ought to do something about the 30,000 Americans who die from gun violence, whether women ought to be able to get abortions, and a whole host of other issues. Those are “tiny things”? > > But Sasse insists, “No one knows what either party is for — but almost everyone knows neither party has any solutions for our problems.” > > That is utter, complete, unadulterated baloney. > … > > [[The rest here.]](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/05/beware-of-this-new-nevertrump-scam/?utm_term=.892fd0594ffe) ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/87 "2017-03-05T04:14:50Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > More on Sasse, not so much a voice of reason, as another wishy-washy mealy-mouth: Sigh, so it’s hysteria all the way down once more… I had a brief glimpse of hope that there could be a reasonable discourse, but then it’s just another phony. Aaargh, I just hope that you Americans, and we all, get outta this mess somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/88 "2017-03-05T04:20:37Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > You think a sitting president who access to every intel agency we have, and has the codes to the Nukes, and advisors-who have advisors-who have advisors, would come out and make a tweet like this without having evidence? Oh, he knows something, alright, and this is a smokescreen to try to preempt the fact that there was a FISA issued to investigate his Russian connections. He’s making a feeble attempt to deflect the truth of the matter. \ > [@](#): > > The other shoe just dropped. 🙂 bye. What a fucking coward you are. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/89 "2017-03-05T04:54:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > For **DerekMichaels00** , bigotry, lies, and misogyny are a-okay, but he draws the line at conspiracy theories. No surprise from such a pathetic excuse for an American. Yah well at least he voted, which is more than I can say about ~90 million people I won’t mention. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/90 "2017-03-05T07:35:13Z")
Like all Trump supporters, the OP is a traitor to the country. And not only do we have a traitor sitting in the White House but an increasingly psychopathic one from the looks of it. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/91 "2017-03-05T07:57:34Z")
Trump is a prat. Many of those who voted for him were just trying to sneak in Mike Pence, which is hilarious because _they wouldn’t have voted for Mike Pence in the presidential primary had he run._ Let Trump go. Give it up. He only serves the GOP as a distraction from Pence and Ryan’s actual hard-right plans. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/92 "2017-03-05T09:22:42Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > It feels bigger when he closes his eyes and thinks about Trump’s masculism. I think you meant Derek feels bigger when he closes his eyes and thinks about Trump’s manhood. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/93 "2017-03-05T09:28:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No they don’t, liar. Why do you make up bigoted bullshit like this all the time? What’s wrong with you? Derek wants to be president? Hey, it worked for agent orange. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/94 "2017-03-05T09:31:19Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Trump wants to seize the means of reproduction. Doesn’t he already have practice in that department (“…grab them by the…”)? ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/95 "2017-03-05T09:42:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No they don’t, liar. Why do you make up bigoted bullshit like this all the time? What’s wrong with you? you have a better idea/theory why the left pushes the idea that we can either be “gender fluid” whatever the FUCK that means, or there are infinite many genders? What’s the end goal? Please, tell me what the end result of the “gender expression/identity” movement is. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/96 "2017-03-05T09:59:01Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Sigh, so it’s hysteria all the way down once more… I had a brief glimpse of hope that there could be a reasonable discourse, but then it’s just another phony. Aaargh, I just hope that you Americans, and we all, get outta this mess somehow. If you don’t understand the difference between Red states and Blue states, then you’re really not in a position to lecture anyone here about “hysteria”. No. Both parties are not the same. They do not have the same goals. They are not equally to blame for this mess. Pretending otherwise is not “adult”, it is delusional. When Mussolini swept to power, you would have been on the sideline with the other useful idiots, saying, “Now, now - we all want to make Italy great again, right?” ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/97 "2017-03-05T10:03:18Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > you have a better idea/theory why the left pushes the idea that we can either be “gender fluid” whatever the FUCK that means, or there are infinite many genders? What’s the end goal? Please, tell me what the end result of the “gender expression/identity” movement is. There is no end game - the “movement”, such as it is, is descriptive, not prescriptive. Human sexuality has always been fluid and always will be, and the left just wants society to accept things as they are. It’s the \*right \*that has an end game - that there be two rigidly-defined sexual roles, no more - not the left. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/98 "2017-03-05T11:03:28Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > you have a better idea/theory why the left pushes the idea that we can either be “gender fluid” whatever the FUCK that means, or there are infinite many genders? What’s the end goal? Please, tell me what the end result of the “gender expression/identity” movement is. Why does it bother you so much? No one’s going to make you be a gender you don’t want to be. The right talks about freedom a lot but has this weird concern with controlling those who don’t conform. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/99 "2017-03-05T12:25:20Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > you have a better idea/theory why the left pushes the idea that we can either be “gender fluid” whatever the FUCK that means, or there are infinite many genders? What’s the end goal? Please, tell me what the end result of the “gender expression/identity” movement is. The goal is for people to be treated with decency and respect. Bigots full of hatred like you will come around eventually, or society will pass you by, and your bigotry will eventually cease to be relevant. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/100 "2017-03-05T13:07:17Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I like President Donald J. Trump’s masculism, his opposition to identity politics, his opposition to unfettered Muslim hijra/immigration into the West, his preference of Israel over Islamic radical “Palestine,” his opposition to sexual communism (aka transvestitism), but he is making it hard to support him with things like the claim that Obama “wiretapped him,” as well as his voter fraud stuff. He needs to stick to the SOTU Trump, not the Alex Jones one! Seconded. I didn’t like Trump during the campaign, still didnt like him when he won but I was pleased by the dominance of the right post-election. I figured Trump would settle in to the Presidency. Now I wonder. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=6)