# Trump, you're making it hard to support you with these wiretap/vote fraud claims! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388 "2017-03-04T16:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/101 "2017-03-05T13:26:24Z")
_Now_ you wonder? Seriously? You couldn’t see something like this coming up Pennsylvania Avenue a mile away? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/102 "2017-03-05T13:34:38Z")
It is always easiest to lie to ourselves… ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/103 "2017-03-05T14:33:42Z")
> [@arfurvirus](#): > > You think a sitting president who access to every intel agency we have, and has the codes to the Nukes, and advisors-who have advisors-who have advisors, would come out and make a tweet like this without having evidence? He is known for making hyperbolic statements as part of his “4d chess”. He recently made an outlandish claims about millions of illegal votes. To date, there’s been no evidence whatsoever provided for that claim. So it’s entirely fair to wonder if the previously established pattern of hyperbolic rhetoric is unabated. In your heart, you know it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/104 "2017-03-05T14:37:58Z")
The White House is requesting congress investigate Obama’s wire tapping. I’m sure they’ll find evidence. > **[How Congress responded to Trump's request to investigate the Obama...](https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/05/politics/white-house-spicer-congress-2016/index.html)** > > President Donald Trump is asking Congress to look into whether the Obama administration abused its investigative powers during the 2016 election, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said in a statement Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/105 "2017-03-05T14:47:37Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > you have a better idea/theory why the left pushes the idea that we can either be “gender fluid” whatever the FUCK that means, or there are infinite many genders? What’s the end goal? Please, tell me what the end result of the “gender expression/identity” movement is. As a father to a gay daughter and brother to a gay sister, I’m going to try to make this simple because I don’t want to hijack the thread and because I believe your making this a lot more complicated than it needs to be. Liberals aren’t trying to get rid of gender identity. Full stop. Liberals don’t care about your gender identity at all. Full stop. Liberals recognize that some people don’t conform to the standard gender identifications due to whatever factors, physiological, psychological, whatever the reason. Whether they want to be labeled a man, woman, or somewhere in between, it doesn’t affect our lives in the slightest bit. Full stop. Therefore, let them be want they want if it makes them happy and doesn’t affect others. Full stop. It only became a liberal issue because we have this thing for justice and we recognized that they (LGBQT) were being persecuted simply for being who they were, so we stood up for them. It has nothing to do with trying to get rid of gender labels and everything to do with giving people the opportunity to lead full and healthy lives. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/106 "2017-03-05T14:48:26Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > If you don’t understand the difference between Red states and Blue states, then you’re really not in a position to lecture anyone here about “hysteria”. > > No. Both parties are not the same. They do not have the same goals. They are not equally to blame for this mess. Pretending otherwise is not “adult”, it is delusional. > > When Mussolini swept to power, you would have been on the sideline with the other useful idiots, saying, “Now, now - we all want to make Italy great again, right?” Huh? I don’t know how you could get this out of my posts, I never stated that both parties are equally to blame, instead I was merely lamenting the extreme polarization in American politics. When for both political factions the moniker of the enemy becomes a mere insult (“Liberal!”, “Conservative!”), then there’s something very wrong. I really hope that there are still some political figures left (especially in the GOP) who have some common ground and interest with the political enemy that can serve as a basis for bettering your country. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/107 "2017-03-05T15:20:38Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > you have a better idea/theory why the left pushes the idea that we can either be “gender fluid” whatever the FUCK that means, or there are infinite many genders? What’s the end goal? Please, tell me what the end result of the “gender expression/identity” movement is. I’m going to resist the temptation to respond with a well deserved ‘fuck off’, and ask you the following… I hope you give it some thought when you respond: These people hurt no-one. All they ever ask of you, or anyone, is to be free to live their lives without judgement or condemnation for who they are. What is it specifically that compels you to _feel and express such hatred_ for people who mean you no harm, have done you no harm, and whose way of life does not infringe on your personal rights and freedoms in any demonstrable way? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/108 "2017-03-05T15:27:22Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m going to resist the temptation to respond with a well deserved ‘fuck off’, and ask you the following… I hope you give it some thought when you respond: > > These people hurt no-one. All they ever ask of you, or anyone, is to be free to live their lives without judgement or condemnation for who they are. What is it specifically that compels you to _feel and express such hatred_ for people who mean you no harm, have done you no harm, and whose way of life does not infringe on your personal rights and freedoms in any demonstrable way? I think he is so insecure about his value because of his below average height, that he is desperate to have someone to disparage. He also has said that people will have less tolerance for his inability to find women who will have sex with him if there are more women he does not find desirable. So people will expect him to lower his standards and have sex with transwomen rather than complain about not finding any women who will give him the time of day. Yes, it is that self-serving, that shallow, that horrific, that bigoted, and that stupid. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/109 "2017-03-05T15:30:17Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m going to resist the temptation to respond with a well deserved ‘fuck off’, and ask you the following… I hope you give it some thought when you respond: > > These people hurt no-one. All they ever ask of you, or anyone, is to be free to live their lives without judgement or condemnation for who they are. **What is it specifically that compels you to _feel and express such hatred_ for people who mean you no harm, have done you no harm, and whose way of life does not infringe on your personal rights and freedoms in any demonstrable way?** He dislikes having them [del]in the same room[/del] on the same planet. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/110 "2017-03-05T15:33:53Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Huh? I don’t know how you could get this out of my posts, I never stated that both parties are equally to blame, instead I was merely lamenting the extreme polarization in American politics. When for both political factions the moniker of the enemy becomes a mere insult (“Liberal!”, “Conservative!”), then there’s something very wrong. I really hope that there are still some political figures left (especially in the GOP) who have some common ground and interest with the political enemy that can serve as a basis for bettering your country. The issue isn’t that there aren’t reasonably minded congresspeople on both sides. The issue is that _reasonable_ and _co-operative_ isn’t rewarded by respective parties. Sure, they all promise to reach across the aisle to work with the other side, but when push comes to shove, they vote along party lines. Unless this changes, expect more of the same to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/111 "2017-03-05T15:34:54Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > The White House is requesting congress investigate Obama’s wire tapping. I hear that he is also requesting Congress investigate the missing strawberries. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/112 "2017-03-05T15:36:44Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I think he is so insecure about his value because of his below average height “Height”? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/113 "2017-03-05T15:42:01Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > “Height”? He’s proud of his below average intelligence, likeability, humanity, morals, and ethics! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/114 "2017-03-05T15:46:32Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I think he is so insecure about his value because of his below average height, that he is desperate to have someone to disparage. > > He also has said that people will have less tolerance for his inability to find women who will have sex with him if there are more women he does not find desirable. So people will expect him to lower his standards and have sex with transwomen rather than complain about not finding any women who will give him the time of day. > > Yes, it is that self-serving, that shallow, that horrific, that bigoted, and that stupid. > [@running\_coach](#): > > He dislikes having them [del]in the same room[/del] on the same planet. Unfortunately, I’m familiar enough with **DM00** ’s posting history to be aware of these possible motivations and sentiments. With all due respect, it would be refreshing to hear **DM00** explain his statements and sentiments in a more thoughtful way than he has to date - which, IMO, has mostly consisted of leveling them as an accusation/condemnation of those he considers to be ‘liberals’. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/115 "2017-03-05T15:47:09Z")
Not to defend our esteemed commander and chief, but he appears to be slightly above average in height: about 6’2" versus an average of about 5’10". He does, amusingly, appear to have small hands for someone of his height. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/116 "2017-03-05T15:49:13Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > I hear that he is also requesting Congress investigate the missing strawberries. Okay, I need this meme explained. 😕 I must have missed its origin in this three ring shit show. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/117 "2017-03-05T15:51:25Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > Not to defend our esteemed commander and chief, but he appears to be slightly above average in height: about 6’2" versus an average of about 5’10". He does, amusingly, appear to have small hands for someone of his height. The stature comments are in reference to the poster, DerekMichaels00. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/118 "2017-03-05T15:52:48Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > The stature comments are in reference to the poster, DerekMichaels00. I should apologize for not reading carefully, but then it occurred to me. Have you ever seen the two of them in the same place at the same time? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/119 "2017-03-05T15:57:21Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Okay, I need this meme explained. 😕 I must have missed its origin in this three ring shit show. > **[The Caine Mutiny (disambiguation)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Caine_Mutiny_(film))** > > The Caine Mutiny is a 1952 novel by Herman Wouk. > The Caine Mutiny may also refer to: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ZlV3oQ3pLA0/hqdefault.jpg "Caine Mutiny - Capt. Queeg Loses It") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlV3oQ3pLA0) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/120 "2017-03-05T15:58:53Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > I should apologize for not reading carefully, but then it occurred to me. Have you ever seen the two of them in the same place at the same time? **Derek** is easily overlooked. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=7)