# Trump, you're making it hard to support you with these wiretap/vote fraud claims!

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**Created:** [March 4, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388 "2017-03-04T16:07:22Z")\
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**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/121 "2017-03-05T16:01:01Z")

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> [@QuickSilver](#):
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> Okay, I need this meme explained. 😕 I must have missed its origin in this three ring shit show.

It’s a reference to an old movie called _The Caine Mutiny_ starring Humphrey Bogart and Fred MacMurray (sp?). Bogart’s paranoid submarine captain becomes obsessed over some strawberries that go missing from the refrigerator, leading the crew to decide he should maybe be removed from command.

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**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/122 "2017-03-05T16:02:17Z")

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The problem with a lot of folks like the OP is that they rail against “liberalism”, but aren’t railing against actual liberalism, but the fun house mirror version that they’ve been spoon fed by various sources too numerous to name here.

I was always told that if you don’t know _both_ sides of an issue, then you don’t really even know your own side of the issue. To defend your position, you have to know how it’s most likely to be attacked. This means thinking like the other guy, something that they wouldn’t try to do, even on a bet. So, basically they’re left with all the old standbys, fulminating, deflection, straw men, argumenten ad hominem, etc.

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**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/123 "2017-03-05T16:04:33Z")

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[quote=“The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat, post:119, topic:781388”]

> **[The Caine Mutiny (film)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Caine_Mutiny_(film))**
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> The Caine Mutiny is a 1954 American military trial film directed by Edward Dmytryk, produced by Stanley Kramer, and starring Humphrey Bogart, José Ferrer, Van Johnson, Robert Francis, and Fred MacMurray. It is based on Herman Wouk’s Pulitzer Prize-winning 1951 novel of the same name.
> Set in the Pacific theatre of World War II, the film depicts the events on board a fictitious U.S. Navy destroyer-minesweeper and the subsequent court-martial of its executive officer for mutiny.
> The film was we...

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…and now I know. Thx. 🙂

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/124 "2017-03-05T16:05:51Z")

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> [@cuauhtemoc](#):
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> It’s a reference to an old movie called _The Caine Mutiny_ starring Humphrey Bogart and Fred MacMurray (sp?). Bogart’s paranoid submarine captain becomes obsessed over some strawberries that go missing from the refrigerator, leading the crew to decide he should maybe be removed from command.

Not a submarine. The _USS Caine_ was a destroyer/minesweeper. Queeg, like **Derek** , is fucking nuts.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/125 "2017-03-05T16:08:31Z")

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“In your guts, you know he’s nuts.”

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**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/126 "2017-03-05T16:23:24Z")

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> [@running\_coach](#):
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> **Derek** is easily overlooked.

That’s because he keeps a low profile. He’s very down to earth, albeit a little short tempered.

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**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/127 "2017-03-05T16:31:27Z")

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> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> I think he is so insecure about his value because of his below average height, that he is desperate to have someone to disparage.
> 
> He also has said that people will have less tolerance for his inability to find women who will have sex with him if there are more women he does not find desirable. So people will expect him to lower his standards and have sex with transwomen rather than complain about not finding any women who will give him the time of day.
> 
> Yes, it is that self-serving, that shallow, that horrific, that bigoted, and that stupid.

no I said that one disadvantage for promoting trannyism is that the situation for not-hot guys will move from “go find a fat chick” to “go find a trans chick” especially as there are SJW movements to make being fat as good as being thin for women, as well as general feminism that just wants to change everything. This could happen as no one, absolutely no one ever sticks up for short men (men from 4’10’’ to 5’6’‘, bigger than legal dwarf \<4’10’'); there is no “short shaming,” etc. Short men are bullied, made fun of, shunned, passed over, and unlike fat chicks, not bc of a lack of discipline/diet. It seems like the reason for the left’s not caring about involunarily short men but voluntarily fat chicks and tranny “women” is because of hatred of men on the part of the left/feminism. The hypocrisy and 2x standards of the left is sickening.

Also, what about the “cis” girls who would have to compete against born-men/trannys whose parents know they can’t cut it vs men so they turn them into women to get college scholarships?

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/128 "2017-03-05T16:34:36Z")

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"… that just wants to change everything. "

And that is the problem, Derek’s (and 90% of his SJW conservative friends) inability to learn, change, grow, mature.

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**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/129 "2017-03-05T16:36:50Z")

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> [@JohnT](#):
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> "… that just wants to change everything. "
> 
> And that is the problem, Derek’s (and 90% of his SJW conservative friends) inability to learn, change, grow, mature.

or new conservatives (like myself) tired of people who can’t accept that “constructs,” mores, and traditions (like sex/gender and the roles, America historical pride, etc.) exist FOR A REASON.

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**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/130 "2017-03-05T16:37:45Z")

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> [@DerekMichaels00](#):
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> no I said that one disadvantage for promoting trannyism is that the situation for not-hot guys will move from “go find a fat chick” to “go find a trans chick” especially as there are SJW movements to make being fat as good as being thin for women, as well as general feminism that just wants to change everything.

I may only speak for myself here, but…

_ **What?!** _

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/131 "2017-03-05T16:43:56Z")

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> [@DerekMichaels00](#):
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> or new conservatives (like myself) tired of people who can’t accept that “constructs,” mores, and traditions (like sex/gender and the roles, America historical pride, etc.) exist FOR A REASON.

… because they were imposed upon a vastly illiterate populace for the benefit of the select few (priests, kings, etc)?

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/132 "2017-03-05T16:46:42Z")

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And how do you resurrect “American pride” by selecting a mentally ill racist, a man married to no fewer than 2 Communists (not simultaneously, granted) and who is in thrall to an ex-KGB colonel? :rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/133 "2017-03-05T16:50:32Z")

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> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#):
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> I may only speak for myself here, but…
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> _ **What?!** _

He’s a peach.

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**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/134 "2017-03-05T17:03:23Z")

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> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#):
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> I may only speak for myself here, but…
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> _ **What?!** _

I’m pretty sure you’re actually speaking for everyone.

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**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/135 "2017-03-05T17:10:14Z")

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> [@DerekMichaels00](#):
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> no I said that one disadvantage for promoting trannyism is that the situation for not-hot guys will move from “go find a fat chick” to “go find a trans chick” especially as there are SJW movements to make being fat as good as being thin for women, as well as general feminism that just wants to change everything. This could happen as no one, absolutely no one ever sticks up for short men (men from 4’10’’ to 5’6’‘, bigger than legal dwarf \<4’10’'); there is no “short shaming,” etc. Short men are bullied, made fun of, shunned, passed over, and unlike fat chicks, not bc of a lack of discipline/diet. It seems like the reason for the left’s not caring about involunarily short men but voluntarily fat chicks and tranny “women” is because of hatred of men on the part of the left/feminism. The hypocrisy and 2x standards of the left is sickening.

Do you realize that “tranny” is regarded as extremely offensive by many in the transgender community? But given how repulsive you are, you probably do.

As I said, dont’ worry so much. Transwomen won’t want to fuck you either. And it’s not because you’re short, it’s because you’ve got the personality of a constipated toad.

> [@](#):
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> Also, what about the “cis” girls who would have to compete against born-men/trannys whose parents know they can’t cut it vs men so they turn them into women to get college scholarships?

If the rest of your posts weren’t trolling, this sure is. In any case, it’s mind boggling stupid. For one thing, the costs of gender reassignment surgery can easily exceed tuition costs.

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**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/136 "2017-03-05T17:14:07Z")

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> [@QuickSilver](#):
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> …and now I know. Thx. 🙂

Two other things were issues with Queeg; He circled around and broke a tow line, and released a yellow signalling stain in the water without cause.

The humiliation and things added up and he started losing it. Sound familiar?

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**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/137 "2017-03-05T17:26:36Z")

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> [@silenus](#):
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> Not a submarine. The _USS Caine_ was a destroyer/minesweeper.

Ah, thank you.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/138 "2017-03-05T17:28:46Z")

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> [@DerekMichaels00](#):
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> no I said that one disadvantage for promoting trannyism is that the situation for not-hot guys will move from “go find a fat chick” to “go find a trans chick” especially as there are SJW movements to make being fat as good as being thin for women, as well as general feminism that just wants to change everything. This could happen as no one, absolutely no one ever sticks up for short men (men from 4’10’’ to 5’6’‘, bigger than legal dwarf \<4’10’'); there is no “short shaming,” etc. Short men are bullied, made fun of, shunned, passed over, and unlike fat chicks, not bc of a lack of discipline/diet. It seems like the reason for the left’s not caring about involunarily short men but voluntarily fat chicks and tranny “women” is because of hatred of men on the part of the left/feminism. The hypocrisy and 2x standards of the left is sickening.
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> Also, what about the “cis” girls who would have to compete against born-men/trannys whose parents know they can’t cut it vs men so they turn them into women to get college scholarships?

Clear winner, “Unhinged Post of the Week”. Really, stands on its own; any further comment would be superfluous.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/139 "2017-03-05T17:41:31Z")

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> [@DerekMichaels00](#):
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> no I said that one disadvantage for promoting trannyism is that the situation for not-hot guys will move from “go find a fat chick” to “go find a trans chick” especially as there are SJW movements to make being fat as good as being thin for women, as well as general feminism that just wants to change everything. This could happen as no one, absolutely no one ever sticks up for short men (men from 4’10’’ to 5’6’‘, bigger than legal dwarf \<4’10’'); there is no “short shaming,” etc. Short men are bullied, made fun of, shunned, passed over, and unlike fat chicks, not bc of a lack of discipline/diet. It seems like the reason for the left’s not caring about involunarily short men but voluntarily fat chicks and tranny “women” is because of hatred of men on the part of the left/feminism. The hypocrisy and 2x standards of the left is sickening.

None of this actually occurs from real life liberals at large. If people tell “not-hot guys” to “find a fat chick” or “go find a trans chick”, they’re being superficial scumbags. Your problem isn’t with liberals, it’s with superficiality (your own and others) and scumbaggery (your own and others). If women you want to have sex with won’t have sex with you, it’s because of _your own flaws_ (likely including your own superficiality and scumbaggery), not because of liberalism or anything else related to politics.

It’s just pathetic that you project and blame your own flaws on liberals. It’s your problem, dude. You deal with it. It’s not liberals, or the left, or trans people, or anyone else. Quit being so fucking superficial, quit being such a bigoted jerk, quit lying, quit projecting and blaming others, and try to become a better person.

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> Also, what about the “cis” girls who would have to compete against born-men/trannys whose parents know they can’t cut it vs men so they turn them into women to get college scholarships?

Whacko bullshit bigoted nonsense. Fix yourself.

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/140 "2017-03-05T17:42:32Z")

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> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> He’s a peach.

Who’s motivated by his many dislikes.  
He’s a hates-peach.

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