# Trump, you're making it hard to support you with these wiretap/vote fraud claims! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388 "2017-03-04T16:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/141 "2017-03-05T17:42:53Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > or new conservatives (like myself) tired of people who can’t accept that “constructs,” mores, and traditions (like sex/gender and the roles, America historical pride, etc.) exist FOR A REASON. Slavery, homophobia, and various other forms of discrimination existed for a reason too – sometimes those reasons are bad ones. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/142 "2017-03-05T17:55:51Z")
\*\*Derek \*\*will feel much better after he finally gets laid. Which he’ll undoubtedly have to pay for, but still. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/143 "2017-03-05T18:01:18Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Clear winner, “Unhinged Post of the Week”. Really, stands on its own; any further comment would be superfluous. It takes a special kind of asshole to post an anti-Trump thread on the board and have it turn into a reverse Pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/144 "2017-03-05T18:17:04Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > \ As I said, dont’ worry so much. Transwomen won’t want to fuck you either. And it’s not because you’re short, it’s because you’ve got the personality of a constipated toad.\ Reminds me of an old joke: A Woman walks into a supermarket and picks up: -1 bar of soap -1 toothbrush -1 tube toothpaste -1 loaf of bread -1 pint of milk -1 single serving cereal -1 single serving frozen dinner A drunk guy walks in afterwards, picks up 2 cases of beer, and heads to the checkout line behind the woman. The drunk guy looks at the woman and says “Single are you?” The woman replies very sarcastically, “Yes. Did the groceries give it away?” The drunk replies, “No, it’s because you’re fucking ugly.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/145 "2017-03-05T18:35:04Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > no I said that one disadvantage for promoting trannyism is that the situation for not-hot guys will move from “go find a fat chick” to “go find a trans chick”… I disagree that social acceptance of trans-gendered people is a ‘promotion’ of same. Why do you choose the word _promotion_ and not the word _acceptance_ when discussing this issue? > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > …especially as there are SJW movements to make being fat as good as being thin for women,… You’re using the word _good_ to mean _attractive_ in this context, I assume. Would you say that overweight people, women in particular, have been treated fairly by society in general? Are there any clear and obvious biases that you’ve noticed with respect to obese people, in general? > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > …as well as general feminism that just wants to change everything. _Everything_ is a widely encompassing term. What exactly do you mean when you say that feminism wants to change everything? Can you be more specific? > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > This could happen as no one, absolutely no one ever sticks up for short men (men from 4’10’’ to 5’6’‘, bigger than legal dwarf \<4’10’'); there is no “short shaming,” etc. Short men are bullied, made fun of, shunned, passed over, and unlike fat chicks, not bc of a lack of discipline/diet. I’ve no doubt these types of things occur and I would believe you if you told us that you’ve experienced these things personally. I would go as far as saying that it isn’t fair or justified. The world can be a cruel place. Do you think that entitles those who have felt discriminated against to discriminate against others? Or would it be better to show empathy? After all, it costs nothing to give and means so much to receive. > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > It seems like the reason for the left’s not caring about involunarily short men but voluntarily fat chicks and tranny “women” is because of hatred of men on the part of the left/feminism. The hypocrisy and 2x standards of the left is sickening. Perhaps there is room enough for caring about the trans-gendered, the overweight, and those of short stature. Does it help your cause to discriminate towards others just to bring attention to the injustices you’ve suffered? > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Also, what about the “cis” girls who would have to compete against born-men/trannys whose parents know they can’t cut it vs men so they turn them into women to get college scholarships? I think you’ve conflated multiple things in the above argument so if you wouldn’t mind unpacking it so we could better address it…? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/146 "2017-03-05T18:45:37Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > He’s a peach. Impeach the Peach!! ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/147 "2017-03-05T19:05:47Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Who’s motivated by his many dislikes. > He’s a hates-peach. very nice 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/148 "2017-03-05T19:36:50Z")
You know, without standards, a civilized society just isn’t possible. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/149 "2017-03-05T19:44:34Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Seconded. I didn’t like Trump during the campaign, still didnt like him when he won but I was pleased by the dominance of the right post-election. I figured Trump would settle in to the Presidency. > > Now I wonder. See, this is what I cannot understand. Donald Trump has been Donald Trump for the last 40 years. He was Donald Trump through the whole campaign. He was Donald Trump after he won the election. So how in God’s Green Earth could you imagine he’d suddenly stop being Donald Trump when he assumed office? And you know of course that Donald Trump is not in any way, shape or form a conservative? Did you somehow imagine that Donald Trump’s presidency would be some sort of triumph of conservative principles? How could you believe that, when Donald Trump is a painfully obvious flim-flam man? Is this what you conservatives think, that all someone has to do is claim to be conservative, and you believe them? Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to pay attention to someone’s past record? Do conservatives believe in honor? Duty? Preservation of social norms? Truth? Justice? Community? Religion? Home? Family? Donald “Grab them by the pussy” Trump believes in none of that. He’s treated you like he treated the people who signed up for Trump University. You thought he was a bullying jerk, but he was going to use his bullying jerk powers for good instead of evil. And you’re like the guys in the Aliens movies who want to use the Xenomorphs as biological weapons. You know what always happens to the guys who want to use Xenomorphs as biological weapons, right? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/150 "2017-03-05T19:49:17Z")
I was right there with you, up until the _Aliens_ movie reference. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/151 "2017-03-05T19:51:12Z")
Those millions of illegal votes, the tapping of his phone, Muslims flooding over the border. Its becoming clear now, a definite pattern is being revealed…no, wait. It isn’t. Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/152 "2017-03-05T19:54:25Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I was right there with you, up until the _Aliens_ movie reference. Game over, man! Game over! ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/153 "2017-03-05T20:01:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Those millions of illegal votes, the tapping of his phone, Muslims flooding over the border. Its becoming clear now, a definite pattern is being revealed…no, wait. It isn’t. Never mind. There is a pattern, though. And its a fairly simple one. He believes Fox. He takes his view of reality from there. Thats the whole thing. There isn’t actually anything more to it. Or him. The birtherism, the Putin admiration, the harsh attitude to immigration, the delusions about Sweden, the swamp to drain, the anti-trade… his worldview is shaped by the shock-jocks. He actually thinks thats what the world looks like. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/154 "2017-03-05T20:06:21Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I was right there with you, up until the _Aliens_ movie reference. I think he means that the only way to be sure is to nuke him from orbit. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/155 "2017-03-05T20:07:32Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > There is a pattern, though. And its a fairly simple one. > > He believes Fox. He takes his view of reality from there. Thats the whole thing. There isn’t actually anything more to it. Or him. > > The birtherism, the Putin admiration, the harsh attitude to immigration, the delusions about Sweden, the swamp to drain, the anti-trade… his worldview is shaped by the shock-jocks. > > He actually thinks thats what the world looks like. Indeed. This is the man who became king of the birther movement and would never let that go. Occam’s Razor. He’s just a nutso who believes right-wing conspiracy sites over his own intelligence officials. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/156 "2017-03-05T20:07:39Z")
Or maybe that’s just what he wants us to think! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/157 "2017-03-05T20:08:27Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > See, this is what I cannot understand. Donald Trump has been Donald Trump for the last 40 years. He was Donald Trump through the whole campaign. He was Donald Trump after he won the election. > > So how in God’s Green Earth could you imagine he’d suddenly stop being Donald Trump when he assumed office? > > And you know of course that Donald Trump is not in any way, shape or form a conservative? Did you somehow imagine that Donald Trump’s presidency would be some sort of triumph of conservative principles? > > How could you believe that, when Donald Trump is a painfully obvious flim-flam man? Is this what you conservatives think, that all someone has to do is claim to be conservative, and you believe them? Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to pay attention to someone’s past record? > > Do conservatives believe in honor? Duty? Preservation of social norms? Truth? Justice? Community? Religion? Home? Family? > > Donald “Grab them by the pussy” Trump believes in none of that. He’s treated you like he treated the people who signed up for Trump University. You thought he was a bullying jerk, but he was going to use his bullying jerk powers for good instead of evil. And you’re like the guys in the Aliens movies who want to use the Xenomorphs as biological weapons. You know what always happens to the guys who want to use Xenomorphs as biological weapons, right? You can’t say they weren’t warned: [Quote=Matthew:7 15-20] 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. [/quote] > **[Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7:15-20 - King James Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2B7%3A15-20&version=KJV)** > > Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a... ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/158 "2017-03-05T20:11:27Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Or maybe that’s just what he wants us to think! You’re simply giving him too much credit. He’s nothing more than a clod, and a traitorous one at that. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/159 "2017-03-05T20:14:53Z")
I really don’t understand how anyone sees Donald Trump as “masculine.” He’s a pudgy pear-shaped old man with the hairstyle of an old lady, complete with (occasional) bobby pins and (always) too much hair spray. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/160 "2017-03-05T20:24:00Z")
> [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](#): > > I really don’t understand how anyone sees Donald Trump as “masculine.” He’s a pudgy pear-shaped old man with the hairstyle of an old lady, complete with (occasional) bobby pins and (always) too much hair spray. I don’t think the OP was referring to His Orangeness’s masculinity. I had to look it up, but apparently “masculisim” is like “feminism.” The OP loves that Trump thinks that pussy-grabbing is now acceptable behavior across the USA (probably because that’s the only way the OP will ever be able to get near one). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=9)