# Trump, you're making it hard to support you with these wiretap/vote fraud claims! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388 "2017-03-04T16:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/161 "2017-03-05T20:36:27Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Impeach the Peach!! Trump is a definite peach: he’s orange, and he looks like an ass. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/162 "2017-03-05T20:42:23Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Trump is a definite peach: he’s orange, and he looks like an ass. Trump has already said what he is. “I yam what I yam.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/163 "2017-03-05T20:44:11Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Do conservatives believe in honor? Duty? Preservation of social norms? Truth? Justice? Community? Religion? Home? Family? **Loyalty to Party** supersedes each and every one of these. It does not matter that Trump is not, nor ever was a conservative, and that he shits on each of these points you made above. He is the party. Therefore, he must be supported. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/164 "2017-03-05T20:45:48Z")
He’s blaming liberals because he can’t pick up women? Did they retard his growth hormones too? Damn those liberals and their ability to seed anti-pheromones into the atmosphere. Apparently Derek grew up in a culture that blames liberals for every undesirable moment, like they’re some sinister secret cabal that plots the destruction of society – much like old women, thought to be witches, were to blame whenever milk turned sour. And, since liberals are supportive of gays, they must support eliminating heterosexuality altogether, and that ruins his ever diminishing chance to pick up women. And, since he’s short, they must have had something to do with that too, since they’re already plotting to destroy humanity from within anyway. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/165 "2017-03-05T20:46:42Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > He believes Fox. He takes his view of reality from there. Thats the whole thing. There isn’t actually anything more to it. Or him. Not Fox in particular, though that may have been the start. He seems to also take his news from Breitbart and various fake news stuff that winds up on Twitter. He is that grandpa that gets hooked on Fox and pushes all those anti-liberal conspiracy theories. I actually know a lot of people just like him in that respect. Though they usually have some decency beneath all that. Trump doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/166 "2017-03-05T21:01:17Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Do conservatives believe in honor? Duty? Preservation of social norms? Truth? Justice? Community? Religion? Home? Family? Who cares about any of that? Donald Trump believes in the core principles that deeply matter to modern conservatives.Tax cuts and blaming everything on foreigners and liberals. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/167 "2017-03-05T22:00:00Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > There is no end game - the “movement”, such as it is, is descriptive, not prescriptive. Human sexuality has always been fluid and always will be, and the left just wants society to accept things as they are. It’s the \*right \*that has an end game - that there be two rigidly-defined sexual roles, no more - not the left. I agree with Alessan here. Science is empirical. Authoritarianism seeks teleology. Reading trans\* rights as teleological misses the point, I suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/168 "2017-03-05T22:19:20Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > He believes Fox. He takes his view of reality from there. Thats the whole thing. There isn’t actually anything more to it. Or him. > > The birtherism, the Putin admiration, the harsh attitude to immigration, the delusions about Sweden, the swamp to drain, the anti-trade… his worldview is shaped by the shock-jocks. > > He actually thinks thats what the world looks like. Maybe but probably not. He’s a flim flam man. A salesman. The oldest trick in the book for developing a trusting relationship is to reflect people’s beliefs and fears back to them. How do you find out the beliefs and fears of the stupid and ignorant right? Watch Fox and read Breitbart. How to you reflect back the beliefs and fears of the stupid and ignorant right? Appear to believe Fox and Breitbart. ---
**Author:** ![KatTP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@KatTP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KatTP)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/169 "2017-03-05T22:36:39Z")
Derekmichaels00 your posts read like an L Ron Hubbard novel. Are you taking the piss? Are you a scientologist?? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/170 "2017-03-05T22:42:51Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > no I said that one disadvantage for promoting trannyism is that the situation for not-hot guys will move from “go find a fat chick” to “go find a trans chick” especially as there are SJW movements to make being fat as good as being thin for women, as well as general feminism that just wants to change everything. This could happen as no one, absolutely no one ever sticks up for short men (men from 4’10’’ to 5’6’‘, bigger than legal dwarf \<4’10’'); there is no “short shaming,” etc. Short men are bullied, made fun of, shunned, passed over, and unlike fat chicks, not bc of a lack of discipline/diet. It seems like the reason for the left’s not caring about involunarily short men but voluntarily fat chicks and tranny “women” is because of hatred of men on the part of the left/feminism. The hypocrisy and 2x standards of the left is sickening. > > Also, what about the “cis” girls who would have to compete against born-men/trannys whose parents know they can’t cut it vs men so they turn them into women to get college scholarships? Cool story bro. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/171 "2017-03-05T22:48:58Z")
**Derek** , _nobody wants you to fuck a fat transchick_. Believe me, whether or not fat-shaming and transphobia are in or out of general favor, with that general attitude your chances at scoring a hot cishet chick would have been as nil 40 years ago as they are today or will be in 2057 and nobody else has to lift a finger to make it so. It occurs to me, that of all people you as a short male _should be a natural ally_ of the plus-size girls in fighting _against **ALL** body-shaming_. And your concern that people would trans their sons in order to get them womens’ scholarships, meanwhile, is even more bizarre than the idiotic presidential conspiracist outbursts that provoked your OP. (Which I do sympathize, are examples of Trump making life hard for his supporters – proving he does not care if he puts you in a bad spot) ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/172 "2017-03-05T23:01:29Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > It occurs to me, that of all people you as a short male _should be a natural ally_ of the plus-size girls in fighting _against **ALL** body-shaming_. you’ve likened an involuntary trait (height) with a nearly entirely voluntary one (obesity); one can avoid the latter if he/she does something (diet, work out) but one cannot avoid the former at all by any means. Being fat generally reflects laziness and lack of will power, short height does not. I will not be some “natural ally.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/173 "2017-03-05T23:05:51Z")
Well, aren’t you special, snowflake? ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/174 "2017-03-05T23:12:58Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > you’ve likened an involuntary trait (height) with a nearly entirely voluntary one (obesity); one can avoid the latter if he/she does something (diet, work out) but one cannot avoid the former at all by any means. Being fat generally reflects laziness and lack of will power, short height does not. I will not be some “natural ally.” If you weren’t such a miserable excuse for a human being, you might actually get some sympathy. I’m a short(er) (5’7”), bald guy, and I recognize that those two characteristics are not generally considered attractive. But you know what? I got as much action as I wanted - one friend commented on my latest girlfriend one time, saying “where do you find all these babes?” Why was I able to attract beautiful women? - I’M NOT AN ASSHOLE. Maybe if you tried to be more pleasant and less bitter you might find girl who would enjoy your company (although, you will need to change your politics, methinks). FWIW, a buddy of mine who was 5’ 4” dated one of the hottest women I’ve ever known, a 5’ 7” Amazon with a figure like Jessica Rabbit. How did he do it? He was athletic, smart, and an all-around nice guy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/175 "2017-03-06T00:13:03Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > you’ve likened an involuntary trait (height) with a nearly entirely voluntary one (obesity); one can avoid the latter if he/she does something (diet, work out) but one cannot avoid the former at all by any means. Being fat generally reflects laziness and lack of will power, short height does not. I will not be some “natural ally.” More hatred and bigotry! God what a miserable excuse for an American you are, you lying bigoted coward. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/176 "2017-03-06T00:30:01Z")
[Comey has asked the Justice Department to reject Trump’s wiretapping claim.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/comey-asks-justice-dept-to-reject-trump%E2%80%99s-wiretapping-claim/ar-AAnOQko) > [@](#): > > A statement by the Justice Department or Mr. Comey refuting Mr. Trump’s allegations would be a remarkable rebuke of a sitting president, putting the nation’s top law enforcement officials in the position of questioning the truthfulness of the government’s top leader. Nonetheless, it must be done. We cannot have the president blatting on about insane conspiracy theories, and have him be unchallenged. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/177 "2017-03-06T00:36:01Z")
Trump is indeed making it very, very hard for anyone to support him. [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&\_r=0](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0) > [@](#): > > Mr. Comey’s request is a remarkable rebuke of a sitting president, putting the nation’s top law enforcement official in the position of questioning Mr. Trump’s truthfulness. The confrontation between the two is the most serious consequence of Mr. Trump’s weekend Twitter outburst, and it underscores the dangers of what the president and his aides have unleashed by accusing the former president of a conspiracy to undermine Mr. Trump’s young administration. That light at the end of the tunnel? It’s a fucking train. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/178 "2017-03-06T00:36:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > More hatred and bigotry! God what a miserable excuse for an American you are, you lying bigoted coward. how is that “bigotry?” Liberals have forgotten why “discrimination” is wrong; discrimination is only supposed to be “wrong” against things one cannot control: THAT’s why its considered wrong to discriminate against people because of their race, disabled people, and height should be there. Look up “discrimination” in the [dictionary](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination): > [@](#): > > a : the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating a bloodhound’s scent discrimination thus when people talk about discrimination, it tends to be implied that its “racial/ethnic discrimination.” But discrimination without the implied qualifier could also relate to grade discrimination (like grades to get into a school, a job), etc. In the same vein, just as one can discriminate on the basis of grades, one can do so on the basis of weight. That being said; religion is usually included in the kinds of discrimination that is wrong because one’s religion is usually determined by his parents; however, because one can change his religion at 18, I don’t see why lowering immigration of religions that inspire the most terror around the globe, or fake scam religions, would be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/179 "2017-03-06T00:48:02Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > I don’t think the OP was referring to His Orangeness’s masculinity. > I had to look it up, but apparently “masculisim” is like “feminism.” Well, sorta. It’s a direct response to what they think feminism means. In practice, it’s less concerned with the few ways in which men actually face sexism, and more focused on opposing feminist thought. It’s not as if Trump supported any men’s rights issues. He’s just full of what feminists would call “toxic masculinity.” He’s hyperaggressive, quick to anger, and very dismissive to women. He supports the patriarchy, and wants to be the guy on top. Basically, take anything that feminism defines as toxic masculinity and treat it as a virtue–that is masculism. Shut up and be a “real man.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388/180 "2017-03-06T00:50:59Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > how is that “bigotry?” Liberals have forgotten why “discrimination” is wrong; discrimination is only supposed to be “wrong” against things one cannot control: THAT’s why its considered wrong to discriminate against people because of their race, disabled people, and height should be there. > > Look up “discrimination” in the [dictionary](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination): > thus when people talk about discrimination, it tends to be implied that its “racial/ethnic discrimination.” But discrimination without the implied qualifier could also relate to grade discrimination (like grades to get into a school, a job), etc. In the same vein, just as one can discriminate on the basis of grades, one can do so on the basis of weight. That being said; religion is usually included in the kinds of discrimination that is wrong because one’s religion is usually determined by his parents; however, because one can change his religion at 18, I don’t see why lowering immigration of religions that inspire the most terror around the globe, or fake scam religions, would be wrong. Oh you’re so cute. _ruffles hair_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-youre-making-it-hard-to-support-you-with-these-wiretap-vote-fraud-claims/781388.md?page=10)