# Trump... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002 "2019-09-10T19:55:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/61 "2019-09-12T01:48:16Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Odd thing, though, is that the “will of the people” in the 2016 election was for the other candidate, not the clown who got voted in by the EC. For a forum that sells itself as “fighting ignorance” there really are some dumb motherfuckers on here. Popular vote was nothing more than anecdotal, meaningless horseshit. It’s not even how the game is played. Invoking it is something the sour grapes crew has fixated on. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/62 "2019-09-12T01:51:51Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Make up your mind, either votes represent the will of the people casting them or are the result of conditioned response to salesmanship. > > If the electorate has the right, they should also accept the responsibility and if need be, the scorn and blame. If they don’t like it, well… tough shit, fuckfaces. How very tolerant and democratic, Mr Democrat. Brought to you by the same people that want to take your guns and instate red flag laws. How is it that you clowns can’t see that you are everything you dislike in others, only worse. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/63 "2019-09-12T01:55:38Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > ?Really? Every other country separates children from their parents, and then locks the kids up? I must admit, I did not know this. Astounding. > > I guess Canada is so far to the left that it falls off the map. > > If your idea of “far left” is “don’t lock children up in cages for crossing a border” then it’s hard for me to figure out the political spectrum, I guess. So it’s clearly a better choice to leave them with hordes of people who use them as pawns to get preferential treatment at the border they were illegally trying to cross. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/64 "2019-09-12T02:28:52Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > So it’s clearly a better choice to leave them with hordes of people who use them as pawns to get preferential treatment at the border they were illegally trying to cross. Well, I’m not amazed now at seeing people like you show how monstrous people like you can get. It is better to leave them with their families. Of course it is likely that here you are talking about the ones that are using kids from others to pretend that they are the real parents, but that also just shows how an ignorant you are of the numbers: > **[Kirstjen Nielsen Justifies Family Separation by Pointing to Increase in...](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/us/politics/nielsen-family-separation-factcheck.html)** > > President Trump’s homeland security secretary said the number of immigrants fraudulently posing as families has tripled. That’s true per government data. But those cases make up less than 1 percent of families apprehended at the border. > [@](#): > > But characterizing the increase of this type of fraud as “staggering” is misleading. The data reflects a period of less than two years, making it difficult to draw a meaningful historical comparison. And the instances of fraud make up less than 1 percent of families apprehended at the border. > > The numbers Ms. Nielsen cites are correct. Katie Waldman, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security, told The New York Times that there were 46 cases of fraudulent family claims in the 2017 fiscal year, which began in October 2016 and ended in September 2017. In just the first five months of the 2018 fiscal year, there were 191 cases — a 315 percent increase. > > But those instances of family fraud are a tiny fraction of the total number of families apprehended at the southwestern border: 0.06 percent of nearly 76,000 families in the 2017 fiscal year and 0.6 percent of 31,000 families apprehended in the first five months of the 2018 fiscal year. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/65 "2019-09-12T02:40:24Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Trump is gonna win again and it’ll be no ones fault but the oppositions. > > The left needs votes from independents and fence sitters but all they do is vilify, throw shit, isolate themselves, and fall off the left side of the political map. Anyone who believes this is already committed to voting for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/66 "2019-09-12T02:42:03Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > How very tolerant and democratic, Mr Democrat. Hah, please. I’m Canadian. Were I American, I expect I’d’ve voted for Democratic presidential nominees since 1992 (in 1988, I think I would have preferred Bush41 over Dukakis) mostly because in my lifetime, I’ve seen Republicans increasing abandoning the field of reason. Frankly, I’d consider it both rude and disrespectful to pretend my friend wasn’t doing something stupid when he was clearly doing something very very stupid. I consider the U.S. to be a friendly nation and you will have my support on most issues, but voting for Trump… well, I’m not going to sugarcoat the colossal stupidity of that. > [@](#): > > Brought to you by the same people that want to take your guns and instate red flag laws. Well, you do have a lot more guns than you actually need, but as long as you keep them on your side of the border, I figure it’s your problem to deal with. > [@](#): > > How is it that you clowns can’t see that you are everything you dislike in others, only worse. I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, and I suspect you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about either. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/67 "2019-09-12T02:45:03Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > For a forum that sells itself as “fighting ignorance” there really are some dumb motherfuckers on here. > > Popular vote was nothing more than anecdotal, meaningless horseshit. It’s not even how the game is played. Invoking it is something the sour grapes crew has fixated on. Good grief, you’re one mighty stupid moron! Anecdote is a story. It’s a fact that the majority of voters in the 2016 presidential election voted for one particular candidate, not the candidate with the abomination on his head. It’s a fact that the Electoral College selected Trump, not the person who, going by the usual meaning of “the will of the people”, was selected by said will of the people. I did not say anything other than the facts of the matter. The “sour grapes” bit is something you are pretending to read into what I posted. Stop being a liar and you won’t have so many problems here. Well, you’ll still be a problem, but you’ll be less of one. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/68 "2019-09-12T02:45:35Z")
> [@cmosdes](#): > > Huh. When was the last chimp you met that lived the lifestyle of a billionaire? One that owned multiple luxury resorts? One that was elected president? Trump’s been handed all the success he’s had in life. He was given his money by his father and he was given the Presidency by conservative efforts to rig the election process in their favor. I’ll grant that he may continue to receive these rewards. But I won’t pretend he earned them through his own efforts. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/69 "2019-09-12T03:10:31Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Brought to you by the same people that want to take your guns and instate red flag laws. You got guns? I’m’a comin’ to GRAB ‘em! I’m standing in the shadows just outside your back door. If you come outside with your guns, I’m’a gonna stick a finger up each of your nostrils and YANK really hard. When you’re bent over sobbing and bleeding, I’m gonna GRAB those guns! And then I’m gonna leave. With your wife. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/70 "2019-09-12T09:00:56Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > You got guns? > > I’m’a comin’ to GRAB ‘em! > > I’m standing in the shadows just outside your back door. > > If you come outside with your guns, I’m’a gonna stick a finger up each of your nostrils and YANK really hard. > > When you’re bent over sobbing and bleeding, I’m gonna GRAB those guns! And then I’m gonna leave. With your wife. You’re not gonna do any of that, and everyone knows it. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/71 "2019-09-12T09:34:37Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You’re not gonna do any of that, and everyone knows it. Perhaps you should Google [sarcasm](https://media.merriam-webster.com/audio/prons/en/us/mp3/s/sarcas01.mp3). ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/72 "2019-09-12T12:33:14Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > You got guns? > > I’m’a comin’ to GRAB ‘em! > > I’m standing in the shadows just outside your back door. > > If you come outside with your guns, I’m’a gonna stick a finger up each of your nostrils and YANK really hard. > > When you’re bent over sobbing and bleeding, I’m gonna GRAB those guns! And then I’m gonna leave. With your wife. > [@Annoyed](#): > > You’re not gonna do any of that, and everyone knows it. That shit is real. I’ve seen him do it. The nostril thing is worse than it sounds like. ---
**Author:** ![cmosdes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cmosdes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmosdes)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/73 "2019-09-12T13:15:17Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Trump’s been handed all the success he’s had in life. He was given his money by his father and he was given the Presidency by conservative efforts to rig the election process in their favor. > > I’ll grant that he may continue to receive these rewards. But I won’t pretend he earned them through his own efforts. I heard a podcast once that talked about the story line for successful people. In every instance it involved luck and privileged opportunity and was never solely because of the efforts and intelligence of the person. Trump was given a HUGE head start in life and for most of his life he did what most people so fortunate would do. He lived a life of luxury, sometimes doing well, other times squandering it. But what he didn’t do was end up like Jim Bakker selling wares on late night TV. Trump did SOMETHING to get himself where he is, even it was just plain luck. I would venture to guess most would call what he has successful if it weren’t for the fact it is Trump. ---
**Author:** ![cmosdes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cmosdes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmosdes)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/74 "2019-09-12T13:33:16Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because there’s never been a chimp in Trump’s position. So we agree. A chimp couldn’t be where Trump is and never will be. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > He accidentally stepped into the hole they carved into themselves and rode the machine they made to victory. Trump, not the dozen other candidates in 2016, rode the machine to victory. You admit it was Trump that succeeded where others failed. But again, you are focusing on the process by which he got there. This isn’t about that. This is about the fact HE IS THERE. Trump can act with impunity. He lives a life of luxury. Whatever method got him there, he is there. And every move he makes, no matter how dumb the rest of us think it is, does not seem to be bringing him down. He has a powerful shield around him in Mitch and Barr and a weak speaker in Pelosi who doesn’t have the fortitude to do anything about him. You can keep waiting for his next action or next step to bring him down. But nothing so far has done that and it is looking less and less likely to do so. He can do what he wants. He knows it. You can’t deny that, no matter how he got there. ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/75 "2019-09-12T14:07:38Z")
The racist Nazi sympathizer Trump has finally [deported](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/21/us-deports-nazi-war-crimes-suspect-to-germany) the last Nazi back to Germany. Positive Trump news? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/76 "2019-09-12T15:08:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Perhaps you should Google [sarcasm](https://media.merriam-webster.com/audio/prons/en/us/mp3/s/sarcas01.mp3). I did. They spelled it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/77 "2019-09-12T15:17:44Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > So it’s clearly a better choice to leave them with hordes of people who use them as pawns to get preferential treatment at the border they were illegally trying to cross. So… Instead of finding which kids are “pawns” (hint - 0.06 percent of 76,000 families), and helping them, your solution is to toss ALL of the kids into cages. Sounds like a plan that Trumpistas would love. Actually, it sounds like something a fucking sadist would love. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/78 "2019-09-12T15:30:26Z")
He said “hordes”. That was supposed to scare you. You didn’t sound scared. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/79 "2019-09-12T15:38:14Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Anyone who believes this is already committed to voting for Trump. I’d vote for satan himself over where the current left wants to steer the nation. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/80 "2019-09-12T15:40:46Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So… Instead of finding which kids are “pawns” (hint - 0.06 percent of 76,000 families), and helping them, your solution is to toss ALL of the kids into cages. > > Sounds like a plan that Trumpistas would love. Actually, it sounds like something a fucking sadist would love. Detention centers. It’s where illegal aliens go when they cross a border illegally. Not into the population. Detention center, or back to their home country. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002.md?page=5)