# Trump... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002 "2019-09-10T19:55:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/81 "2019-09-12T16:00:41Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’d vote for satan himself over where the current left wants to steer the nation. > [@Annoyed](#): > > Detention centers. It’s where illegal aliens go when they cross a border illegally. > > Not into the population. Detention center, or back to their home country. You’re a terrible person, but sadly not an atypical American. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/82 "2019-09-12T16:03:05Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’d vote for satan himself over where the current left wants to steer the nation. It’s nice to know where your loyalties lie. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/83 "2019-09-12T16:11:35Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You’re a terrible person, but sadly not an atypical American. Oh, you’re just as terrible as me. Don’t fool yourself. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > It’s nice to know where your loyalties lie. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/84 "2019-09-12T16:22:20Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Or, for every illegal immigrant that illegally crosses the border, Trump should import 3 impoverished right wing Polish/South African/Ukrainian patriots to offset the future electorate impact. So you’re okay with immigrants. As long as they’re white. It’s rare to see a Trump supporter come right out and say it in public. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/85 "2019-09-12T16:30:26Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Oh, you’re just as terrible as me. Don’t fool yourself. No, we’re not. I know this is a common belief among Deplorables; that we all are thinking the same thing you are but we’re just too politically correct to say it out loud. But it’s not true. Some of us really think bigotry is wrong. And I’m not some hippy liberal. I’m an old white guy who worked on a farm. I was even a Republican for a long time - until people like you took over the party. That’s why you’re losing. Every year there are fewer people like you around. It’s not just black people and brown people and yellow people and women and gays and Muslims and Jews who are against you. It’s people like me who have no problem with the idea that everyone is equal. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/86 "2019-09-12T16:32:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So you’re okay with immigrants. As long as they’re white. > > It’s rare to see a Trump supporter come right out and say it in public. I’m ok with all immigrants, as long as they follow immigration laws. Pick a country where the population is mostly right wing and I’ll take those any day. Regardless of skin color. Every migrant the left gets from south of the border, we get one from anywhere else. Seems fair to me, unless it’s about swaying the electorate in your favor. It’s not about that is it? What I find infuriating is that for some reason the left has come completely out of the closet regarding immigrants from south of the border knowing full well they overwhelmingly vote democrat when given the chance, and merely by their proximity to the US border they should get some preferable treatment over other nations with people in poverty. Satan \> The left. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/87 "2019-09-12T16:32:30Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Detention centers. It’s where illegal aliens go when they cross a border illegally. > > Not into the population. Detention center, or back to their home country. And separating the children from parents. Then sending the kids thousands of miles away, and “losing” the paperwork" about where they are. You can call the cages “chain link luxury apartments” if you like. But it does not change the fact that this administration are treating human beings abysmally, and people like you\* like it this way.\* ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/88 "2019-09-12T16:32:54Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > The racist Nazi sympathizer Trump has finally [deported](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/21/us-deports-nazi-war-crimes-suspect-to-germany) the last Nazi back to Germany. > > Positive Trump news? He’s just decided to favor domestic Nazis over the imported ones. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/89 "2019-09-12T16:41:49Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’m ok with all immigrants, as long as they follow immigration laws. And you want laws that prohibit any immigration. So you’re saying you’re okay with immigrants as long as they don’t immigrate. (At least as far as immigrants from “shithole countries” are concerned.) Let’s drop the nonsense about people coming from right wing countries and left wing countries. Nobody inherits a political ideology. Do you feel children born in America while Bill Clinton or Barack Obama were President are liberals and children born while George Bush or Donald Trump were President are conservative? What you mean is you think white people vote for Republicans and non-white people vote for Democrats. The Democrats aren’t courting non-white voters. They’re getting non-white voters because people like you have turned the Republicans into the white man’s party. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/90 "2019-09-12T16:46:23Z")
> [@cmosdes](#): > > Trump did SOMETHING to get himself where he is, even it was just plain luck. Donald Trump did about as much to get himself where he is as Queen Elizabeth did. But he’s not doing as good a job of it. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/91 "2019-09-12T16:47:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No, we’re not. I know this is a common belief among Deplorables; that we all are thinking the same thing you are but we’re just too politically correct to say it out loud. > > But it’s not true. Some of us really think bigotry is wrong. And I’m not some hippy liberal. I’m an old white guy who worked on a farm. I was even a Republican for a long time - until people like you took over the party. > > That’s why you’re losing. Every year there are fewer people like you around. It’s not just black people and brown people and yellow people and women and gays and Muslims and Jews who are against you. It’s people like me who have no problem with the idea that everyone is equal. You’ve made some serious judgment leaps about my excellent self. I don’t care about anyone’s skin color or religion, what I care about is a fair playing field, politically, and for my rights, personally, to remain untouched. Your side openly wants to sway the electorate in their favor by importing votes, and you know it. That’s subversion, and pure filth from where I sit. That’s the lefts whole angle. And yes, you’re a bigot. This is simple fact. Now, where we differ is that I don’t personally give a fuck, but to call me one is quite funny. There is nothing wrong with stopping illegal immigration, focusing on citizens over “migrants” and spending our nations treasure on our own citizens. You are on the fringe, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/92 "2019-09-12T16:52:46Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And you want laws that prohibit any immigration. So you’re saying you’re okay with immigrants as long as they don’t immigrate. (At least as far as immigrants from “shithole countries” are concerned.) > > Let’s drop the nonsense about people coming from right wing countries and left wing countries. Nobody inherits a political ideology. Do you feel children born in America while Bill Clinton or Barack Obama were President are liberals and children born while George Bush or Donald Trump were President are conservative? > > What you mean is you think white people vote for Republicans and non-white people vote for Democrats. > > The Democrats aren’t courting non-white voters. They’re getting non-white voters because people like you have turned the Republicans into the white man’s party. Ok, statistically, how do people from south of the border vote? First year non-English speaking migrants overwhelmingly vote democrat. This is a statistical fact. You may have good intentions (doubt it) but your politicians don’t, and they know exactly what they are doing. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/93 "2019-09-12T16:55:18Z")
Sigh. A new [del]thread[/del] playground for trolls to frolic in and get the attention they desperately crave. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/94 "2019-09-12T16:57:36Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Pick a country where the population is mostly right wing and I’ll take those any day. Regardless of skin color. > > Every migrant the left gets from south of the border, we get one from anywhere else. Heh. You’d have a tough time finding “right wing” immigrants from most other countries who wouldn’t be way left of the Republicans on a lot of issues. Right-wingers in Poland, for example, would be shocked at the lack of publicly funded universal health care in the US, and they have far more restrictive laws on gun ownership than we do. You import a demographically significant number of Polish immigrants for “your side” and all it’ll get you is faster “socialized medicine” and stricter gun control. The US conservative movement couldn’t scrounge up a reliable voting bloc for much of their wacky ideology even among most other majority-white countries, let alone from the existing voluntary-immigrant population. It’s also worth noting that before about the 1990s, Latino immigrants from Central and South American, both documented and undocumented, were far more likely than they are now to support Republican positions and politicians. Latin American immigrants were widely considered a natural “fit” for conservative politics: overwhelmingly Christian (both Catholic and more recently large numbers of Pentecostals), hardworking and ambitious, gender-traditionalist, and so on. But racist and nativist hysteria in the Republican Party (coupled with a fair bit of residual anti-Catholic prejudice) resulted in the GOP shooting itself in the foot when it came to attracting them as voters. The current Latino immigrant/Democrat alignment was by no means inevitable (and even now is far from universal). The Republican Party largely caused it by its own shortsighted bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/95 "2019-09-12T17:08:54Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Oh, you’re just as terrible as me. Don’t fool yourself. Oh, “both of us do it, too?” Fuck that, and fuck you for attempting the lamest defense in the world. Also: > [@](#): > > First year non-English speaking migrants overwhelmingly vote democrat. This is a statistical fact. If they’re voting, it means they’re no longer migrants - it means they’ve become naturalized citizens. Do you object to how your fellow citizens vote? Fuck you again. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/96 "2019-09-12T17:21:07Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Sigh. A new [del]thread[/del] playground for trolls to frolic in and get the attention they desperately crave. Hey, what would you expect from a thread called “Trump”? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/97 "2019-09-12T17:34:36Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Ok, statistically, how do people from south of the border vote? > > First year non-English speaking migrants overwhelmingly vote democrat. This is a statistical fact. > > You may have good intentions (doubt it) but your politicians don’t, and they know exactly what they are doing. If we accept this as true, the million dollar question is: what prevents the GOP from appealing to these voters and padding their own base with them? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/98 "2019-09-12T17:34:40Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Brought to you by the same people that want to take your guns and instate red flag laws. You mean like Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/99 "2019-09-12T17:35:13Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Heh. You’d have a tough time finding “right wing” immigrants from most other countries who wouldn’t be way left of the Republicans on a lot of issues. > > Right-wingers in Poland, for example, would be shocked at the lack of publicly funded universal health care in the US, and they have far more restrictive laws on gun ownership than we do. You import a demographically significant number of Polish immigrants for “your side” and all it’ll get you is faster “socialized medicine” and stricter gun control. > > The US conservative movement couldn’t scrounge up a reliable voting bloc for much of their wacky ideology even among most other majority-white countries, let alone from the existing voluntary-immigrant population. > > It’s also worth noting that before about the 1990s, Latino immigrants from Central and South American, both documented and undocumented, were far more likely than they are now to support Republican positions and politicians. Latin American immigrants were widely considered a natural “fit” for conservative politics: overwhelmingly Christian (both Catholic and more recently large numbers of Pentecostals), hardworking and ambitious, gender-traditionalist, and so on. But racist and nativist hysteria in the Republican Party (coupled with a fair bit of residual anti-Catholic prejudice) resulted in the GOP shooting itself in the foot when it came to attracting them as voters. > > The current Latino immigrant/Democrat alignment was by no means inevitable (and even now is far from universal). The Republican Party largely caused it by its own shortsighted bigotry. QFT As a Hispanic I have to report that there was a time when I was considering to vote for McCain, but the Republican party decided to follow the “lead” of California and win for a while with a message of hate as it was in the 80s, never mind that eventually that was a big factor that turned California into one of the bluest of states. Turns out that most Hispanics who are citizens are not amused. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/100 "2019-09-12T17:37:17Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, you do have a lot more guns than you actually need… I know I do. If anyone wants to buy one of several AR-15s, an AR-180, M1 Carbine, you know where to reach me. 😛😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002.md?page=6)