# Trump... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002 "2019-09-10T19:55:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/101 "2019-09-12T17:54:40Z")
That reminds me of the only gun that I ever really, really wanted. It was a pristine condition FN C2 7.62 mm with a bipod. I would have gladly bought one if they had let me, but we were in the process of destroying the entire stockpile at the time. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/102 "2019-09-12T17:55:37Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > First year non-English speaking migrants overwhelmingly vote democrat. This is a statistical fact. Is it? I thought first-year “migrants” were overwhelmingly Not Yet Citizens with the Right to Vote. > [@Annoyed](#): > > How very tolerant and democratic, Mr Democrat. > > Brought to you by the same people that want to take your guns and instate red flag laws. > > How is it that you clowns can’t see that you are everything you dislike in others, only worse. > [@Annoyed](#): > > You’ve made some serious judgment leaps about my excellent self. > > I don’t care about anyone’s skin color or religion, what I care about is a fair playing field, politically, and for my rights, personally, to remain untouched. > > Your side openly wants to sway the electorate in their favor by importing votes, and you know it. > > That’s subversion, and pure filth from where I sit. That’s the lefts whole angle. > > And yes, you’re a bigot. This is simple fact. Now, where we differ is that I don’t personally give a fuck, but to call me one is quite funny. There is nothing wrong with stopping illegal immigration, focusing on citizens over “migrants” and spending our nations treasure on our own citizens. > > You are on the fringe, not me. [You](https://media.merriam-webster.com/audio/prons/en/us/mp3/i/idiot001.mp3) do realize you surrender copyright protection when you post at SDMB? I will be reposting your messages under the HashTag #You\_thought\_American\_wingnuts\_were\_dumb?THEY’RE\_EVEN\_DUMBER\_THAN\_THAT!!! I apologize to all for reading some of [**Annoyed** ’s](https://media.merriam-webster.com/audio/prons/en/us/mp3/i/idiot001.mp3) posts. I don’t think it will happen again. ---
**Author:** ![cmosdes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cmosdes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmosdes)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/103 "2019-09-12T19:42:27Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Donald Trump did about as much to get himself where he is as Queen Elizabeth did. > > But he’s not doing as good a job of it. Not quite. Both had a certain status thrust upon them at birth. Trump wasn’t born into the presidency. Again, thinking this is just a fluke and he is an imbecile that will eventually be his own downfall is just asinine thinking at this point. I thought for sure he’d be an ineffectual president, at best, unable to negotiate with either side and the Senate would band together to assert their power and independence from the Executive branch. I thought they’d have a common enemy. But Trump has figured out how to split the legislative branch and keep them infighting, which keeps him in power. He is a worthless leader, but he is just good enough at riling and instigating that he could get to and stay in power. The Queen never had to do any of that. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/104 "2019-09-12T20:09:24Z")
> [@cmosdes](#): > > He is a worthless leader, but he is just good enough at riling and instigating that he could get to and stay in power. The Queen never had to do any of that. If the Queen started doing any of the crazy shit that Trump does, she would have been moved out of her position pretty darn smartly. There are ways. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/105 "2019-09-12T20:23:57Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’d vote for satan himself over where the current left wants to steer the nation. You’d vote for eternal damnation for all mankind over everyone having affordable health care? Strange. ---
**Author:** ![cmosdes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cmosdes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmosdes)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/106 "2019-09-12T21:13:22Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > If the Queen started doing any of the crazy shit that Trump does, she would have been moved out of her position pretty darn smartly. There are ways. what ways are you envisioning that Trump be moved out? There are 4, none of which are presently showing any signs of happening any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/107 "2019-09-12T21:16:20Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’d vote for satan himself over where the current left wants to steer the nation. That’s hardly surprising; the Right wants to cause as much evil and suffering and destruction as possible, it’s only natural that Satan would make a good fit for them. His main drawback from a right-wing point of view is that he’s supposed to be highly intelligent, while the Right idolizes stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/108 "2019-09-12T21:43:40Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > You’d vote for eternal damnation for all mankind over everyone having affordable health care? > > Strange. Yeah, but it’d be so worth it just to watch libs’ heads explode! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/109 "2019-09-12T23:07:51Z")
> [@cmosdes](#): > > what ways are you envisioning that Trump be moved out? There are 4, none of which are presently showing any signs of happening any time soon. I said, IF THE QUEEN …" I did not say “TRUMP SHOULD BE…” I’m not envisioning any way Trump be moved out, because your system of governance is fucked, your electoral process is fucked, and I’m afraid that when the history of the USA is written 100 years from now, this decade will be the one that historians say is the decade where you fucked yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/110 "2019-09-12T23:30:14Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Heh. You’d have a tough time finding “right wing” immigrants from most other countries who wouldn’t be way left of the Republicans on a lot of issues. In order to find a country with a reliably right wing population I think your looking at places like Saudi Arabia, and Taliban controlled sections of Afghanistan, North Korea,. But somehow I don’t think that those are the sort of places he had in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/111 "2019-09-12T23:55:49Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > In order to find a country with a reliably right wing population I think your looking at places like Saudi Arabia, and Taliban controlled sections of Afghanistan, North Korea,. But somehow I don’t think that those are the sort of places he had in mind. Heh again: even fundamentalist, no-full-suffrage-for-women Saudi Arabia is **far** to the left of the US Republican Party on some issues such as universal health care, and has [less restrictive abortion laws than Alabama](https://qz.com/1628427/saudi-arabias-abortion-laws-are-more-forgiving-than-alabamas/). Similarly, North Korean labor laws mandate paid maternity leave and other protections for working mothers that would have most American rightwingers spluttering in indignation (not to mention the _de facto_ economic dominance of women in N. Korea due to draconian restrictions on men’s eligibility for paid labor). Even the brutally oppressive Taliban is more supportive of contraceptive use than many US conservatives! The modern US rightwing movement is truly _sui generis_ in today’s world. Even the most backwards repressive anti-modern regimes on earth can be counted on to have **some** areas where their policies are less regressive than those of many American conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/112 "2019-09-13T03:15:13Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Ok, statistically, how do people from south of the border vote? > > First year non-English speaking migrants overwhelmingly vote democrat. This is a statistical fact. > > You may have good intentions (doubt it) but your politicians don’t, and they know exactly what they are doing. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > If we accept this as true, the million dollar question is: what prevents the GOP from appealing to these voters and padding their own base with them? **Annoyed** : answer this. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/113 "2019-09-13T04:36:30Z")
> [@cmosdes](#): > > So we agree. A chimp couldn’t be where Trump is and never will be. > > Trump, not the dozen other candidates in 2016, rode the machine to victory. You admit it was Trump that succeeded where others failed. > > But again, you are focusing on the process by which he got there. This isn’t about that. This is about the fact HE IS THERE. Trump can act with impunity. He lives a life of luxury. Whatever method got him there, he is there. And every move he makes, no matter how dumb the rest of us think it is, does not seem to be bringing him down. He has a powerful shield around him in Mitch and Barr and a weak speaker in Pelosi who doesn’t have the fortitude to do anything about him. > > You can keep waiting for his next action or next step to bring him down. But nothing so far has done that and it is looking less and less likely to do so. He can do what he wants. He knows it. You can’t deny that, no matter how he got there. Nobody has said otherwise. Why do you feel the need to create this strawman? All people have said is that Trump isn’t winning. People have made it clear what they mean by this. Trump won the presidency, but hasn’t accomplished much else. So he’s not “winning” by their definition. Not losing is not the same as “winning.” You keep saying that, if he wasn’t Trump, we’d call him a successful president. I argue the exact opposite: **if he wasn’t Trump, you wouldn’t see what he’s accomplished as being remotely successful.** You’re just crafting semantic arguments. Those are fucking stupid. Both sides agree that Trump is dangerous. Both sides agree that Trump has currently avoided the consequences. It is fucking stupid to keep debating over whether the word “winning” is appropriate. All you are doing is manufacturing disagreement where there is already consensus. And fighting Trump needs us to work together, not tearing each other apart. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/114 "2019-09-13T05:03:28Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’m ok with all immigrants, as long as they follow immigration laws. [ALL POSSIBLE RESPONSES TO “THEY SHOULD GET IN LINE AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, THE WAY MY FAMILY DID,” WITH CITATIONS](https://deportnation.com/all-possible-responses-to-they-should-get-in-line-and-do-it-the-right-way-the-way-my-family-did-ab0b7dbcbb26) ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/115 "2019-09-13T08:23:01Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > You’d vote for eternal damnation for all mankind over everyone having affordable health care? > > Strange. If it was just a simple matter of healthcare and nothing else, I’d vote for healthcare. But it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/116 "2019-09-13T08:30:32Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > **Annoyed** : answer this. Any maneuver right now is too late. The left has made the illegal immigrant vote one of the foundations of their long term plan, and it should have never happened. But that’s just how sleazy they are. Can’t capture the white vote? Import brown votes to offset them. Can win with the electoral college? Remove it. Need more congressional representation? Include illegal aliens & jam refugees in certain districts. All the while blocking voter ID laws and screaming about gerrymandering. It’s fucking filth, pure and simple, and people who knowingly support it as a way to sway the electorate are towing a line that’s real close to treason. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/117 "2019-09-13T10:43:59Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Any maneuver right now is too late. **The left has made the illegal immigrant vote one of the foundations of their long term plan,** and it should have never happened. > > But that’s just how sleazy they are. **Can’t capture the white vote? Import brown votes to offset them.** Can win with the electoral college? Remove it. Need more congressional representation? **Include illegal aliens & jam refugees in certain districts.** > > All the while blocking voter ID laws and screaming about gerrymandering. > > It’s fucking filth, pure and simple, and people who knowingly support it as a way to sway the electorate are towing a line that’s real close to treason. Care to back up any of these lies? And it’s _toeing_ the line, you moron. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/118 "2019-09-13T10:55:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Care to back up any of these lies? > And it’s _toeing_ the line, you moron. Oh noes, the grammar police. My back-up are the Democrats themselves. They apparently can do whatever the fuck they want with the electorate with impunity as long as they don’t say it out loud. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/119 "2019-09-13T11:03:39Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Oh noes, the grammar police. > > My back-up are the Democrats themselves. They apparently can do whatever the fuck they want with the electorate with impunity as long as they don’t say it out loud. Apparently you _can’t_ back up your statements. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002/120 "2019-09-13T11:06:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Apparently you _can’t_ back up your statements. You misspelled _evidently_. Brought to you by your friendly Spelling & Grammar Cop. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump/840002.md?page=7)