# Trumpcare **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625 "2017-03-07T15:57:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/321 "2017-03-23T20:56:36Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The calendar of which bills are scheduled for votes on which dates is set by the congressional leadership. So basically, they can do anything they want. And of course they were desperate to have the vote today, seeing as today is the 7th anniversary of Obama’s signing of the ACA - which took some 15 months of work to pass, while the GOP was revving up to ram through the ACHA in just a couple of months. (Yes, I know, seven years to come up with a replacement … yeah, right.) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/322 "2017-03-23T20:57:39Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Politico article on the vote cancellation: [http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-freedom-caucus-health-care-236418](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-freedom-caucus-health-care-236418) > > Trump, who tells us over and over again just how amazing he is at deal-making and negotiating, couldn’t get this deal done. > > And, the quotes from Sean Spicer are sadly humorous. The very sad thing is that according to the last reports, Trump was negotiating by **offering to cut** even more Obamacare regulations to the most conservative members. They still did not bite… He also offered to cut more items that the insurance companies must cover to call “insurance” what they would offer to the people. Trump was/is making deals to see how much worse Trumpcare can be. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/323 "2017-03-23T20:57:47Z")
I see, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/324 "2017-03-23T21:22:49Z")
Its easy to make a health insurance plan that costs less. Just cover less. Or, we could unleash the free market! Allow insurance providers to offer _alternative_ health plans, plans that are tailored for individual preferences. For instance, insurance for the stupid, who can be conned into paying for “insurance” that provides the warm feeling of security without any actual money being involved. Buying the sizzle, there is no steak. Let me ask: when was the last time you saw or heard one of those reports about Big HealthCo “rescinding” some poor dumb shmuck’s insurance because of some “pre-existing condition”? To my recollection, its been a while. About seven years, give or take. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/325 "2017-03-23T21:32:57Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Pass the popcorn. I wonder what people watching this from the WH are thinking right [right about now](https://youtu.be/aA9fFzRd7VM?t=397)… ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/326 "2017-03-23T21:36:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And they’re offering bribes to vote _against_ the bill. > > This is one of those rare times it’s fun to be in the minority. They want them to vote against the bill because they want EVERYTHING in the ACA gone. They want the insurance laws to be pre-ACA. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/327 "2017-03-23T22:59:12Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I thought it would be pretty easy to craft a great substitute that everyone can agree on. However, despite my former rosy opinion, I just learned to my great surprise that health care is pretty complicated. it’s not like they could have known this earlier. :dubious: > [@](#): > > while Trump University will leave you bankrupt, the majority of people that had interaction with it lived. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/328 "2017-03-23T23:08:13Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I thought it would be pretty easy to craft a great substitute that everyone can agree on. However, despite my former rosy opinion, I just learned to my great surprise that health care is pretty complicated. I thought they were going to put together a terrible substitute that the GOP would agree on. Importantly, they still might. Shields up. Call your representative. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/329 "2017-03-24T00:13:06Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I thought they were going to put together a terrible substitute that the GOP would agree on. Yes, but the Orange Sonofabitch now has Zero Credibility…! Oh shit, you didn’t mean ‘The Donald’… Arnold, cigars & whiskey yet…? ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/330 "2017-03-24T00:34:52Z")
Shucks, now they can’t pass the tax-cut-for-the-wealthy bill, at least using budget reconciliation. Too bad, the Koch’s have just talked themselves out of a hefty refund (assuming they haven’t arranged to avoid taxes altogether). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/331 "2017-03-24T00:39:57Z")
Love that the CBO came back with a score that said " you guys made it even more expensive, and 24 million _still_ lose their insurance! WTF?" 538 tweeted that Trump has done in 2 months what the Dems couldn’t accomplish in 7 years: make Obamacare popular. > **[This Health Care Bill May Haunt The GOP](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/this-health-care-bill-may-haunt-the-gop/amp/)** > > Imagine a Congress and a president of the same party working on health insurance reform. They write up a piece of legislation, and it’s not popular. Within two … Trump and Ryan are done negotiating and Trump is demanding a vote tomorrow. Trump is making it very hard to be a GOP Senator or Congressman nowadays, regardless of how red their District is. He is making them all look like him. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/332 "2017-03-24T00:44:18Z")
They have said they are [voting tomorrow](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/gop-health-care-plan-hangs-in-balance-as-house-leaders-push-for-thursday-floor-vote/2017/03/23/6e8bf05a-0fbd-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_obamacare-805a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fead3e0fda2b). Call your representative! Please. Say it’s a terrible bill. Say it’s a great bill. Just say something. ---
**Author:** ![Caldazar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Caldazar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caldazar)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/333 "2017-03-24T01:52:29Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Love that the CBO came back with a score that said " you guys made it even more expensive, and 24 million _still_ lose their insurance! WTF?" Indeed, that’s pretty “impressive” that they ammended to put $186 billion, over 10 years, back in play, and they still couldn’t cut down on the number of projected uninsured. Although, the CBO does point out that "Estimates differ by no more than half a million people in any category in any year ", which is a somewhat meaningful number of people, I suppose. CBO revised analysis is here: [H.R. 1628, the American Health Care Act, incorporating manager's amendments 4, 5, 24, and 25 | Congressional Budget Office](https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52516) ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/334 "2017-03-24T02:11:32Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trump and Ryan are done negotiating and Trump is demanding a vote tomorrow. > > Trump is making it very hard to be a GOP Senator or Congressman nowadays, regardless of how red their District is. He is making them all look like him. A [Trumpimatum](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/gop-health-care-plan-hangs-in-balance-as-house-leaders-push-for-thursday-floor-vote/2017/03/23/6e8bf05a-0fbd-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.1eb48c541d31)? Then he moves on to other legislative [del]priorities[/del] failures… ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/335 "2017-03-24T02:24:45Z")
> [@Caldazar](#): > > Indeed, that’s pretty “impressive” that they ammended to put $186 billion, over 10 years, back in play, and they still couldn’t cut down on the number of projected uninsured. Not really amazing when you consider who most of those amendments were trying to appease…The crazy-than-average-Republicans (which is saying something)! I am kind of surprised it didn’t increase the number of projected uninsured. Maybe the amendments that have watered down what constitutes a base insurance plan have allowed enough to remain “insured” and that’s why the number of projected uninsured hasn’t risen from the previous estimate. [Actually, I just thought of a slogan for the “Freedom Caucus”…“They put the dom in freedom”! But, hey, if they tank this bill, it shows that idiots really can be useful.] ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/336 "2017-03-24T04:22:12Z")
This is smart: > [@](#): > > The message being transmitted from President Trump was that he’s done negotiating, and that if the bill fails, he’s prepared to walk away and keep Obamacare in place. [![](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/mike-pompeo-china-sanctions.jpg?utm_campaign=Washington+Examiner%3A+Breaking+News&utm_source=Washington+Examiner%3A+Breaking+News+) ](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/mike-pompeo-china-sanctions.jpg?utm_campaign=Washington+Examiner%3A+Breaking+News&utm_source=Washington+Examiner%3A+Breaking+News+) I want ACA to go away. I’ve been wanting this for what, seven years now? But better for it to stay and hopefully get fixed than be replaced with something worse. Republicans apparently can’t get it done, so it just won’t get done. Move on to tax reform. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/337 "2017-03-24T05:48:49Z")
If 45’s “I’m done negotiating, vote or walk away and leave Obamacare in place” gambit works and gets the votes needed to pass then he may be a genius. If not…well, then he’s the boob we’ve always suspected. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/338 "2017-03-24T08:51:44Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > If 45’s “I’m done negotiating, vote or walk away and leave Obamacare in place” gambit works and gets the votes needed to pass then he may be a genius. > > If not…well, then he’s the boob we’ve always suspected. The problem with ultimatums is that eventually people will call you on them. If not this time, then next. Even if it passes, I wouldn’t call him a genius yet. His opponents will be waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/339 "2017-03-24T09:59:17Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > A [Trumpimatum](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/gop-health-care-plan-hangs-in-balance-as-house-leaders-push-for-thursday-floor-vote/2017/03/23/6e8bf05a-0fbd-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.1eb48c541d31)? More like a “trumptrum”, something with which he is actually used to. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/340 "2017-03-24T10:47:03Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > If 45’s “I’m done negotiating, vote or walk away and leave Obamacare in place” gambit works and gets the votes needed to pass then he may be a genius. > > If not…well, then he’s the boob we’ve always suspected. I think he’s just upset that it might take away his chance to pretend to drive a fire truck. Seriously, yesterday’s pictures of him in a big rig are the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to memes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=18)