# Trumpcare **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625 "2017-03-07T15:57:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/361 "2017-03-24T16:31:25Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > As much as I’d love to see Donald saddled with this fiasco for the remainder of his (hopefully short) term, I don’t think Trumpcare had anything to do with Trump. He didn’t draft it, he didn’t work very hard for it (let’s face it, he doesn’t work very hard, period), if passed it would break several of his stupid campaign promises, and he’s walking away from it when it’s teetering on the brink. This is a Paul Ryan Production. He was very clear on what he was promising on the campaign trail. He has failed to deliver thus far, and walking away means he quit. So all of those voters that were sure he was going to make all these great deals will see his first attempt as a miserable failure. This is his baby. He promised it, he argued for it, he threatened congress to get it to pass, and he failed. He doesn’t get to walk away with clean hands now. Not to anyone with the ability to reason. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/362 "2017-03-24T16:32:51Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Gobs of Koch cash are on the no side. Yes, it’s constituent opinions on the bill _and_ gobs of cash v. getting on the enemies list of a man who is still carrying on a twitter feud with Rosie O’Donnell (who your constituents LUV. Because your constituents are confusing.) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/363 "2017-03-24T16:33:33Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > As much as I’d love to see Donald saddled with this fiasco for the remainder of his (hopefully short) term, I don’t think Trumpcare had anything to do with Trump. He didn’t draft it, he didn’t work very hard for it (let’s face it, he doesn’t work very hard, period), if passed it would break several of his stupid campaign promises, and he’s walking away from it when it’s teetering on the brink. This is a Paul Ryan Production. Yeah, and Clinton wasn’t responsible for _Benghazi!_[sup]TM[/sup] either but that didn’t stop the Republicans from saddling her with it and trotting it out every seven seconds. And you may say, “Why should we stoop to the Republicans’ level?” To which I respond, “Because it’s fucking working!” I would really like to see the Democrats at least start playing the same game that the Republican’s are playing. We’re not going to gain any ground against the fuckers if we’re continual punching bags for the Right with no punch-back. Every speech made by a Democrat should start with a reminder of what a horrible failure Trump is with this, his Muslim Bans and his ongoing FBI investigation, as cites. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/364 "2017-03-24T16:43:45Z")
No kidding. His biggest accomplishment so far is managing to pin an ‘I Love Trucks’ button to his lapel without stabbing himself in the eye. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/365 "2017-03-24T16:44:23Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > No kidding. His biggest accomplishment so far is managing to pin an ‘I Love Trucks’ button to his lapel without stabbing himself in the eye. They should have Ruprecht-proofed it with a cork. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/366 "2017-03-24T16:49:31Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > He was very clear on what he was promising on the campaign trail… His campaign promise was something like “Obamacare is terrible! We’re going to replace it, it’s going to be wonderful, everybody’s going to be covered, and we’re not going to touch Medicare and Medicaid.” And ponies for everyone. So even if AHCA passed he would be breaking a promise. Trump is screwed no matter what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/367 "2017-03-24T17:14:51Z")
Is it crazy to suggest that perhaps the best thing for Republicans to do would be to (gasp!) negotiate with Democrats? Look, the Republicans have a narrow, and seemingly impossible window here; make the health care laws more conservative and pick up the right wing, but lose their moderates, but make the health care law more moderate and the (nonsensically named) Freedom Caucus balks. Maybe negotiation among the moderates, regardless of party, is the right answer. Is Congress even considering this crazy possibility? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/368 "2017-03-24T17:17:48Z")
[Ryan tells Trump he doesn’t have the votes, asks him what he should do next.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/house-health-care-vote/index.html) I think I just hurt myself laughing. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/369 "2017-03-24T17:22:39Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Ryan tells Trump he doesn’t have the votes, asks him what he should do next.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/house-health-care-vote/index.html) > I think I just hurt myself laughing. [Josh Barro tweeted:](https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/845311965446725636) > [@](#): > > Ryan is aware that he does not, technically, need Trump’s permission to pull the bill, right? > > You see this in the BDSM community, people get in these dom/sub relationships and forget they have free will. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/370 "2017-03-24T17:23:00Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Ryan tells Trump he doesn’t have the votes, asks him what he should do next.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/house-health-care-vote/index.html) > I think I just hurt myself laughing. > [@CNN](#): > > The President is said to be “agitated” by the process, an aide said, which he thinks is all “political”. In other news, the President woke up today and discovered that health care is complicated and water is wet. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/371 "2017-03-24T17:27:10Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Ryan tells Trump he doesn’t have the votes, asks him what he should do next.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/house-health-care-vote/index.html) > I think I just hurt myself laughing. Impossible. Trump’s a deal maker. That’s what he does. He makes deals. He even wrote a book about making deals. He’s the best deal maker ever! He’ll make a deal to get this passed, right? Cuz that’s what he does: he makes deals. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/372 "2017-03-24T17:28:09Z")
Don’t forget bridges. He sells lots of those. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/373 "2017-03-24T17:33:29Z")
I haven’t followed this thread, so apologies in advance if this has been posted. The chair of the House Appropriations Committee is a “No” vote. > **[House Appropriations Chair Comes Out Against Obamacare Repeal Bill](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rodney-frelinghuysen-no-vote-ahca)** > > Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ), the chair of the House Appropriations Committee, on Friday morning announced that he would not vote for the House bill to repeal and replace Obamacare. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/374 "2017-03-24T17:39:31Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I haven’t followed this thread, so apologies in advance if this has been posted. The chair of the House Appropriations Committee is a “No” vote. > > [House Appropriations Chair Comes Out Against Obamacare Repeal Bill - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rodney-frelinghuysen-no-vote-ahca) Right after I tweeted him! _smug_ ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/375 "2017-03-24T17:50:03Z")
Would there be any difference if Ryan called the vote and it came out no vs. just not having a vote? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/376 "2017-03-24T17:52:37Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Would there be any difference if Ryan called the vote and it came out no vs. just not having a vote? Yes, I think so. I think if they have the vote and lose, that’s a bigger blow for them. ---
**Author:** ![koeeoaddi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/koeeoaddi/32/408_2.png) [@koeeoaddi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koeeoaddi)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/377 "2017-03-24T17:53:38Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > They should have Ruprecht-proofed it with a cork. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/378 "2017-03-24T17:54:10Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Would there be any difference if Ryan called the vote and it came out no vs. just not having a vote? If there isn’t a vote, those Congresscritters who haven’t yet said which way they’ll vote wouldn’t have to defend their vote. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/379 "2017-03-24T18:13:58Z")
Seven years they spent bitchingh about Obamacare and not one person in the GOP though to draft an alternative all that time? Seriously, you can tell they started slapping “ACHA” together maybe a month ago. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/380 "2017-03-24T18:16:07Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > …Not to anyone with the ability to reason. This “reason” of which you speak? This is not the way of our people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=20)