# Trumpcare **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625 "2017-03-07T15:57:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/381 "2017-03-24T18:17:20Z")
Got a nickel says Trump goes to his next campaign rally, and takes credit for saving us all from the Obamacare repeal. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/382 "2017-03-24T18:21:53Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Would there be any difference if Ryan called the vote and it came out no vs. just not having a vote? Yes, it puts people on the record. There’s a difference in a campaign ad that says “Representative \_\_\_\_\_ was considering the AHCA” (which is where they are now - which isn’t great, but is easily countered) and “Representative \_\_\_\_\_\_ voted to raise your healthcare premiums by thousands of dollars.” or “Representative \_\_\_\_\_\_ voted to keep Obamacare.” or “Representative \_\_\_\_\_\_ voted to keep your taxes high.” (which is where they would be after a vote) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/383 "2017-03-24T18:32:02Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Seven years they spent bitchingh about Obamacare and not one person in the GOP though to draft an alternative all that time? Seriously, you can tell they started slapping “ACHA” together maybe a month ago. And they’ve been changing it, hour by hour, over the past few days. This to modify a policy with a lot of moving parts, that sets the ground rules for ~1/6 of our economy. This isn’t an appropriations bill, where you can throw pork in at random to win votes. The pieces here have to work together. And every time you change one piece to win some votes, the more it’s a Rube Goldberg machine with several parts missing. It’s the old Mousetrap game, but it breaks down way before the Helping Hand. (Of course, half the point of this bill is to make sure there is no Helping Hand…) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/384 "2017-03-24T18:33:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Got a nickel says Trump goes to his next campaign rally, and takes credit for saving us all from the Obamacare repeal. Here I was starting to feel like this would be a black eye for Trump, starting to have a little smile over this. You had to ruin it for me, didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/385 "2017-03-24T18:47:58Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Seven years they spent bitchingh about Obamacare and not one person in the GOP though to draft an alternative all that time? Seriously, you can tell they started slapping “ACHA” together maybe a month ago. It’s not just that Trump is a post-policy President; the GOP is a post-policy party. They are good at shouting the same things that Fox News and talk radio are shouting, which works well as the opposition party. But they’ve dumbed themselves down; they don’t have any real wonks anymore. (Ryan isn’t a budget wonk; he just plays one on TV. And it’s a lot easier to be a budget wonk than a health care wonk.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/386 "2017-03-24T18:49:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Got a nickel says Trump goes to his next campaign rally, and takes credit for saving us all from the Obamacare repeal. More likely, he’ll say that “Ryancare” failed. The buck stops somewhere over there –\> ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/387 "2017-03-24T18:50:57Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Seven years they spent bitchingh about Obamacare and not one person in the GOP though to draft an alternative all that time? Seriously, you can tell they started slapping “ACHA” together maybe a month ago. [Tom Price came up with one.](http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/report-speaker-ryan-says-tom-price-plan-will-outline-obamacare-replacement/) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/388 "2017-03-24T18:51:30Z")
He can call it what he wants. But it’s Trumpcare. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/389 "2017-03-24T18:56:36Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > And they’ve been changing it, hour by hour, over the past few days. This to modify a policy with a lot of moving parts, that sets the ground rules for ~1/6 of our economy. > > This isn’t an appropriations bill, where you can throw pork in at random to win votes. The pieces here have to work together. And every time you change one piece to win some votes, the more it’s a Rube Goldberg machine with several parts missing. It’s the old Mousetrap game, but it breaks down way before the Helping Hand. (Of course, half the point of this bill is to make sure there is no Helping Hand…) From what I’ve gathered, the recent issue is that they’ve been making a ton of concessions to get the Freedom Caucus on board. FC still wants more, and now moderates are going “Fuck this monstrosity” and walking away too. [QUOTE=CNN] There are signs of frustration in the White House at the Freedom Caucus, which has won a series of concession[s] but is still holding out against the bill. “We’ve emboldened them,” one White House aide said. [/QUOTE] Welcome to the last 8 years, from the Democratic perspective. Dumbasses. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/390 "2017-03-24T19:03:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by CNN > The President is said to be “agitated” by the process, an aide said, which he thinks is all “political”. This is the single funniest quote I have seen all year. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/391 "2017-03-24T19:06:01Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Seven years they spent bitchingh about Obamacare and not one person in the GOP though to draft an alternative all that time? Seriously, you can tell they started slapping “ACHA” together maybe a month ago. They are, and will remain, “The Party of No”. That’s all they do. They are I the business of destroying government, whether they are in power or not. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/392 "2017-03-24T19:07:27Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > From what I’ve gathered, the recent issue is that they’ve been making a ton of concessions to get the Freedom Caucus on board. FC still wants more, and now moderates are going “Fuck this monstrosity” and walking away too. Tru dat. But also, those changes are actually making the bill they started with even less workable, if it should actually become law, because they don’t understand how the pieces fit together. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/393 "2017-03-24T19:11:30Z")
Q1: So, when will The White House “Double down”??? Q2: What time tomorrow will Sean Spicer say that the vote passed Trumpcare and proclaim that anything that says otherwise is “Fake News”? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/394 "2017-03-24T19:15:12Z")
If it fails, clearly the vote was rigged. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/395 "2017-03-24T19:16:08Z")
God, I’m nervous. I’m surrounded by other health policy people and we’re all completely freaking out. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/396 "2017-03-24T19:35:29Z")
Now they’ve gone to recess. Live tally on NYT if it comes to a vote. It shows a whip count, too. > **[Live Vote Count: Republicans Pull Health Care Bill (Published 2017)](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/24/us/politics/house-vote-republican-health-care-bill.html)** > > There will be no vote on the proposed legislation. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/397 "2017-03-24T19:37:24Z")
And, as of 3:36 Eastern, according to what I’m seeing on MSNBC, the GOP has pulled the bill before the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/398 "2017-03-24T19:42:01Z")
The Art of the Deal, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/399 "2017-03-24T19:43:42Z")
And as the Trumpish Horror raised its Evil Head, it tried one last time to freeze the company of Adventurers who had banded together to destroy it. For the first time in several moons, Evil did not carry the day. Though the Ugly Orange Monster still sported its smirk, by strength of the arms of good men and women, its suit of Armani Armor (Padded with Wall Street Bull Shit) was seen slowly retreating away from the bloody battlefield in defeat. The following day, Spicer Worm-Tongue tried to spread lies to the people, but the spell was broken… and even he knew that his days were numbered… ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/400 "2017-03-24T19:44:09Z")
If they do get around to voting on this, what’s the over/under on how long the “15-minute vote” would take? I am assuming they won’t bother putting it up unless they’re within three or so of passing it, in which case the speaker will keep the vote open for as long as it takes to make deals with enough Republicans to change their vote to yes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=21)