# Trumpcare **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625 "2017-03-07T15:57:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/421 "2017-03-24T20:29:17Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Spite the democrats how? best thing for democrats would be if this thing passes. The cost is too high. It would sure be validating to Hillary voters if Trump starts a nuclear war, too. But I should hope that there aren’t many people cheering that on. Sure, I’d rather have had the bill come to a vote and fail, but I’m happy with it getting pulled. Just means that the GOP only got one black eye instead of two. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/422 "2017-03-24T20:30:34Z")
[I’VE MADE A HUGE MISTAKE Donald Trump’s healthcare debacle is ripped directly from “Arrested Development”](I’VE MADE A HUGE MISTAKE Donald Trump’s healthcare debacle is ripped directly from “Arrested Development”) > [@](#): > > If you thought the Republican party’s bumbling efforts to overhaul healthcare in the US seemed familiar, that may be because you saw it play out in uncanny detail on a cult network comedy 14 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/423 "2017-03-24T20:33:38Z")
Just watched Ryan’s press conference and it is clear that he hasn’t learned anything from the experience. There were some many questions I wanted reporters to ask him: Did it ever occur to you to come up with a bill that earns praise instead of nearly-universal criticism from doctors, AARP, hospitals, … and that the CBO finds will actually not dramatically increase the number of uninsured Americans? Do you think one of the top priorities of the American people is to take money away from health care subsidies and give it as a tax cut to the wealthy top few percent of Americans? ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/424 "2017-03-24T20:36:20Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Without the mandate and without enforcing the ACA, I fear it will all come true. Indeed…Republicans (at least at the national level) don’t know how to fashion legislation that helps people (beyond the top few percent); they only know how to sabotage legislation that helps people. They are really more of an organized crime syndicate than a political party. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/425 "2017-03-24T20:37:06Z")
When the time came for the Republicans to put their top talent to use, obstruction, they found the only people there to obstruct were themselves. So they did. Hey, it’s what they’re good at. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/426 "2017-03-24T20:38:18Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Now comes the drinking. > > Well, for everyone else in the office, at least. 😃 I’ll be drinking too, once I drive home. I’m positively giddy with relief. More battles will be headed our way, but not just yet. This weekend, we can celebrate. This one was absolutely critical to win, and we won. Happy, happy, happy. ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/427 "2017-03-24T20:39:04Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’m losing years from my life over here. [Good luck, we’re all counting on you](http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/fd/fd1163428f3a930756d1babb67db5adf557daaf02f53f2a067aec3546bf182a9.jpg) Sorry, couldn’t resist. Keep fighting the good fight, **jsgoddess**! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/428 "2017-03-24T20:39:29Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > Indeed…Republicans (at least at the national level) don’t know how to fashion legislation that helps people (beyond the top few percent); they only know how to sabotage legislation that helps people. They are really more of an organized crime syndicate than a political party. So true. > [@bobot](#): > > When the time came for the Republicans to put their top talent to use, obstruction, they found the only people there to obstruct were themselves. So they did. Hey, it’s what they’re good at. 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/429 "2017-03-24T20:45:04Z")
Not that I’m spiteful enough to wish it passed, but I do wish Trump voters had a chance to see what the AHCA would have done them. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/430 "2017-03-24T20:45:37Z")
Relief for now. But soon, it will be BOHICA. Remember: There’s still three years and ten months left for them to bone us. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/431 "2017-03-24T20:50:24Z")
Next up: “We’re going to build a shitty half-fence thing on the border, and your grandchildren will be paying off the graft that went to the contractors who are connected to our party.” ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/432 "2017-03-24T20:51:35Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Seven years they spent bitchingh about Obamacare and not one person in the GOP though to draft an alternative all that time? Seriously, you can tell they started slapping “ACHA” together maybe a month ago. They actually [}&resultIndex=1"]passed a bill]([https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3762?q=](https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3762?q=){%22search%22%3A[%22%22hr3762%22%22) in 2015 that Obama vetoed in Jan 2016 - you’d think they could have just teed that one up again. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/433 "2017-03-24T20:55:11Z")
Can’t they just put it back on the docket next week? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/434 "2017-03-24T21:04:26Z")
Ryan is asking Trump what to do to put the fiasco at the feet of Trump, instead of Ryan. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/435 "2017-03-24T21:05:07Z")
And… Trump blames Democrats for the failure of the bill. > [@Trump](#): > > “When you get no votes from the other side, meaning the Democrats, it’s really a difficult situation.” [https://www.google.ca/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-react-healthcare-bill-vote-pull-congress-obamacare-democrats-a7649236.html%3Famp](https://www.google.ca/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-react-healthcare-bill-vote-pull-congress-obamacare-democrats-a7649236.html%3Famp) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/436 "2017-03-24T21:10:12Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Steaks > University > Vodka > Airlines > Casinos > Care > > The man can’t do anything right. You need to broaden that a bit more. Considering all the other comical fiascos so far, remove “Care” and substitute “Presidency”. But I wonder who is genuinely surprised by this latest debacle. Obamacare was and remains an attempt to thread the needle in an impossibly fucked-up system dominated by private health insurance. It works for the majority of its mediocre intended purposes, and the only way to really improve it is with a public option, which is exactly the opposite of everything Republicans stand for. Instead, they want to replace it with something that reflects their free-enterprise values driven solely by the almighty dollar, which is exactly the opposite of how health care works. And what do you know, they failed. What a freaking surprise! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/437 "2017-03-24T21:13:02Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And… Trump blames Democrats for the failure of the bill. > > [Donald Trump blames Democrats after pulling healthcare bill from Congress vote | The Independent | The Independent](https://www.google.ca/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-react-healthcare-bill-vote-pull-congress-obamacare-democrats-a7649236.html%3Famp) Did he expect Democrats to vote for a bill to make health insurance more fucked up than it already is? Remarkable. If no one likes your Bill, Mr. President, maybe it sucks. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/438 "2017-03-24T21:14:04Z")
Trump was right – he’s managed to replace Obamacare with “something terrific”, namely: Obamacare + Ryan’s assurance that “it will be the law of the land for the foreseeable future”. Never had that before from the other side! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/439 "2017-03-24T21:15:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Got a nickel says Trump goes to his next campaign rally, and takes credit for saving us all from the Obamacare repeal. Maybe not; in his concession statement – er, ah, declaration of oh, well, on to tax reform! just now, he kept insisting that Obamacare was going to implode and then explode and then everyone would come back together on the great, wonderful new bill he’d have, and it was totally not his fault it all went wrong. Of course, he doesn’t remember from one day to the next what he’s said, so you could also be right. Meanwhile, it’s been so much fun seeing Nancy Pelosi on TV chiding The Donald, with a subtle smirk lurking on her carefully Serious Face, over his “rookie error” at pushing for a vote on the bill when he wasn’t sure he had the votes necessary; “rookie error” she repeated, throttling down the laughter. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/440 "2017-03-24T21:20:49Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And… Trump blames Democrats for the failure of the bill. > > [Donald Trump blames Democrats after pulling healthcare bill from Congress vote | The Independent | The Independent](https://www.google.ca/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-react-healthcare-bill-vote-pull-congress-obamacare-democrats-a7649236.html%3Famp) And, as an added bonus, Trump and his minions are going to make sure that they try to fuck up the current situation as badly as possible, just for spite. > [@](#): > > At this point, Trump says he is going to sit back and watch Obamacare fail. Then, he says, Democrats will come to him and ask to work on a bill. > > Asked if he would reach out to any Democrats proactively, he said no and indicated he would watch the Affordable Care Act fail. What a horrible, vindictive crap-sack of a man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=23)