# Trumpcare **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625 "2017-03-07T15:57:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/481 "2017-03-25T00:31:07Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > You know what he should do? Sit down with Bernie Sanders, draft a universal healthcare plan and call it Trumpcare. The Dems are apparently drafting some legislation with a public option and a few other Obamacare fixes, figuring maybe Trump will more or less do as you suggest. Kinda of a longshot (they tried the same thing with an infrastructure bill when Trump first started as Prez, which didn’t go anywhere), but worth a try. If nothing else, having a bunch of legislation written up and ready to go means even if it doesn’t go anywhere, they have a developed starting point when they actually are in a position to pass something, instead of scrambling around like idiots at the last minute (unlike a certain other political party, which will remain nameless). > [@](#): > > Then he tells the Pubs, “Pass this or I’ll fucking veto every piece of legislation you send to my desk.” Seems like a good way to make sure the Republicans suddenly remember they can subpeona his tax-returns. So I doubt he’s going to try and strong arm the Republicans. But than, as you say, he just needs enough to break ranks to convince Ryan/McConnell to bring it to the floor. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/482 "2017-03-25T00:32:02Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > Awesome, and great posts everyone. As much as I would have enjoyed being able to participate in this thread when things started to heat up this afternoon, fortunately this was merely the second best thing to happen to me today. The first best came into this world at 4:07 PM EST and she weighes 7lbs, 3oz! Congrats!! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/483 "2017-03-25T00:33:48Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > Awesome, and great posts everyone. As much as I would have enjoyed being able to participate in this thread when things started to heat up this afternoon, fortunately this was merely the second best thing to happen to me today. The first best came into this world at 4:07 PM EST and she weighes 7lbs, 3oz! Congratulations–so exciting! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/484 "2017-03-25T00:39:15Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > You know what he should do? Sit down with Bernie Sanders, draft a universal healthcare plan and call it Trumpcare. Then he tells the Pubs, “Pass this or I’ll fucking veto every piece of legislation you send to my desk.” He’d only need a handful to get it done with the Dems, and with some blue district Pubs desperate to keep their jobs in 2018, it might not be too hard. > > Either that or they call his bluff and start the impeachment process. Either way, America wins. That’s the good side of having a President with no core values and no interest in policy. He just wants to “win.” I think it’s possible, but a long shot (obviously). > [@](#): > > I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on health. It is an unacceptable but accurate fact that the number of uninsured Americans has risen to 42 million. Working out detailed plans will take time. But the goal should be clear: Our people are our greatest asset. We must take care of our own. We must have universal healthcare. > > Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered, and provides freedom of choice. Possible? The good news is, yes. There is already a system in place-the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program-that can act as a guide for all healthcare reform. It operates through a centralized agency that offers considerable range of choice. While this is a government program, it is also very much market-based. It allows 620 private insurance companies to compete for this market. Once a year participants can choose from plans which vary in benefits and costs. > Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.206-208 & 218 , Jul 2, 2000 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/485 "2017-03-25T00:39:57Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Yes, I enjoyed that immensely, with apologies to **jsgoddess**. It was _very_ satisfying. Who knew healthcare could be so complicated indeed. > > I’m going to laugh every time I think about this for months. Years possibly. [Ha!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/486 "2017-03-25T00:41:32Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > Awesome, and great posts everyone. As much as I would have enjoyed being able to participate in this thread when things started to heat up this afternoon, fortunately this was merely the second best thing to happen to me today. The first best came into this world at 4:07 PM EST and she weighes 7lbs, 3oz! Well, congrats! There’s nothing in this world like being a parent. It changes everything, and in the best of ways. Much happiness to the three of you! ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/487 "2017-03-25T00:42:46Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > This forum really needs a “like” button.🙂 You just pressed it. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/488 "2017-03-25T00:55:28Z")
You’ve heard the joke about if pro and con are opposites, what is the opposite of progress? I think we all witnessed that today. ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/489 "2017-03-25T00:57:36Z")
Thanks everyone! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/490 "2017-03-25T00:58:46Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > [Ha!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo) That should go after seeing and listening to all the toadies and ass kissers of Trump that told us what “a deal maker” or " big negotiator" Trump was supposed to be, and that he was going to make the new law to pass congress and eventually to be signed: > **[Obamacare Repeal And The Myth Of Trump As The "Great Negotiator"](https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/obamacare-repeal-and-myth-trump-great-negotiator)** Ha! Ha! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/491 "2017-03-25T00:59:17Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Yes, I enjoyed that immensely, with apologies to **jsgoddess**. It was _very_ satisfying. Who knew healthcare could be so complicated indeed. Trust me, I’m borderline hysterical right now. Okay, I’m fully hysterical. It’s fun. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > First I want to sincerely thank **jsgoddess** for her hard work on this issue - you are my hero today and if I drank, I’d have one for you. Thank you Thank you Thank you! You’re welcome. In all honesty, I have my dream job. There have been a few times over the past few days and weeks… and months… holy shit, no wonder I’m tired! that I was wondering what the fuck I was doing and being grateful that stress doesn’t actually cause ulcers. But for the most part? This is the thing I want to do for the rest of my life. Nothing is as interesting as health policy! (It’s okay, even my coworkers think I’m fucking weird about it.) And I’m having a fantastic fucking week. My husband has been out of town for a month and he’s coming home tonight. I am the luckiest person in the world. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/492 "2017-03-25T01:05:34Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > You’ve heard the joke about if pro and con are opposites, what is the opposite of progress? I think we all witnessed that today. That would have been if they passed that monstrosity. Instead, the Freedom Caucus being a bunch of ideologues saved the rest of us. Rumor has it that about 25 Freedom Caucusers were going to vote no, and that the number of other Rs voting no would have been double that. In other words, they would have been over 50 votes short, if those numbers are right. Of course, there’s a big difference between saying how you’ll vote, especially in private, and actually voting. But still, if that’s right-ish, the vote wouldn’t have been all that close. And that’s not even accounting for the possible avalanche once it wasn’t going to pass. That would have given huge cover to some, while admittedly there would be some who would vote yes once they were sure it didn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/493 "2017-03-25T01:08:28Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > Thanks everyone! We just decided on a name - Caroline Kathleen “Skdo23”. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/494 "2017-03-25T01:10:39Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > We just decided on a name - Caroline Kathleen “Skdo23”. I like it! I’ve always loved both of those names. Congrats. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/495 "2017-03-25T01:11:26Z")
Guess I’ve been out of the loop since I moved to Asia. What is your job, **jsgoddess**? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/496 "2017-03-25T01:11:52Z")
+100 to **jsgoddess** and **skdo23** , is there something in the air? Over here I got the good news that after 3 years, the visa for my wife just finished one of the last hurdles. I’m happy as a clam too. Too bad for the [del]Trumpists[/del] ones that we just dispatched at [del]congress[/del] a Chinese buffet. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/497 "2017-03-25T01:11:54Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I like it! I’ve always loved both of those names. Congrats. Thx! ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/498 "2017-03-25T01:13:30Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > +100 to **jsgoddess** and **skdo23** , is there something in the air? Over here I got the good news that after 3 years, the visa for my wife just finished one of the last hurdles. > > I’m happy as a clam too. Too bad for the [del]Trumpists[/del] ones that we just > dispatched at [del]congress[/del] a Chinese buffet. 🙂 Looks like we all hit the jackpot today GB! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/499 "2017-03-25T01:16:49Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Guess I’ve been out of the loop since I moved to Asia. What is your job, **jsgoddess**? I work for a health policy non-profit in DC, primarily in Medicare. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/500 "2017-03-25T01:20:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > More likely, he’ll say that “Ryancare” failed. The buck stops somewhere over there –\> Nah. He can’t fuck Ryan over. He needs him to pass a tax break for the super-rich. Which is actually the only thing Trump has principles on. “I don’t pay taxes, that’s for the little people.” **skdo23** , it’s the start of a great adventure. Enjoy every single second 'cause they go by way too fast. Oh, and both of your daughter’s names were on the short list for our (now not so) Little Princess. Love them both. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=26)