# Trumpcare **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 7, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625 "2017-03-07T15:57:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/721 "2017-05-04T20:02:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Every Republican who voted yes will have ads run against them pointing out that they voted to exempt themselves from the effects of this bill: > > [Congress Again Exempt From Some Republican Health Plan Cuts - Newsweek](http://www.newsweek.com/american-care-act-congress-staff-exempt-594564) The vote directly before the ACA repeal vote was one to eliminate that exception. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/722 "2017-05-04T20:40:46Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > The vote directly before the ACA repeal vote was one to eliminate that exception. So did it pass? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/723 "2017-05-04T20:46:14Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > So did it pass? Yes, sorry, I should have said that. I don’t think it got a single no. So AHCA, when they voted on it, no longer exempted Congress. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/724 "2017-05-04T20:53:15Z")
> [@](#): > > As Republicans rush to vote on their latest ObamaCare repeal-and-replace plan, it appears to still include an item exempting members of Congress and their staffs from losing the healthcare bill’s popular provisions…After Vox reported that the bill appeared to still include the exemption for lawmakers, Rep. Tom MacArthur’s (R-N.J.) office said separate legislation would close that loophole… [http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/331867-republicans-can-exempt-themselves-from-obamacare-rollbacks-in-new-legislation](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/331867-republicans-can-exempt-themselves-from-obamacare-rollbacks-in-new-legislation) So, as it stands, it stands. Promises are being set in stone that they will act upon that right quick. Pretty soon. Unless they’re too busy. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/725 "2017-05-04T22:26:07Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > They should have made sure to pass it by two votes. Now, each and every one of them was “the deciding vote”. It **did** pass by two votes, 217 - 213. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/726 "2017-05-04T22:50:15Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > It **did** pass by two votes, 217 - 213. :smack: Damn. I was already writing the campaign ads! I’m sure that this was by design for just this reason, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/727 "2017-05-04T22:56:33Z")
I have not been as enraged as I am today since the nightmare SCOTUS case _King v. Burwell_ was still percolating in the ether. My clown of a rep. (Calvert) voted for this monstrosity. This is absolutely barbaric. We may seriously be looking at the possibility of the U.S. becoming the _first_ country in history to have enacted a (nearly) universal healthcare system and then dismantled it. American Exceptionalism folks, and it’s all built atop a GOP that lies about what the AHCA does and a president who has no fucking idea what’s in his bill. One of the things that I think we really ought to start talking about is the extent to which Trumpcare has the potential to radicalize and galvanize the left, pushing Democrats to enact much more liberal health care reforms the next time they control the federal government. If the GOP takes down the ACA - which, for the zillionth time, was the _Republicans’ idea_ in the first place - then single payer, or at least a robust public option, is all that’s left to pursue. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/728 "2017-05-04T23:01:45Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > The vote directly before the ACA repeal vote was one to eliminate that exception. Doesn’t matter. That’s an entirely separate bill that requires 60 votes in the Senate. It isn’t going anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/729 "2017-05-04T23:13:07Z")
> [@2ManyTacos](#): > > Doesn’t matter. That’s an entirely separate bill that requires 60 votes in the Senate. It isn’t going anywhere. Yep. The bill they voted on exempts Congress. That’s what those members voted for, and it will be used against them. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/730 "2017-05-04T23:15:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Doesn’t matter. That’s an entirely separate bill that requires 60 votes in the Senate. It isn’t going anywhere. feels like it matters ☹ > [@](#): > > Yep. The bill they voted on exempts Congress. That’s what those members voted for, and it will be used against them. hope so ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/731 "2017-05-04T23:57:54Z")
> [@2ManyTacos](#): > > Doesn’t matter. That’s an entirely separate bill that requires 60 votes in the Senate. It isn’t going anywhere. They wouldn’t have any problem passing it, no matter how many votes it required. This is a non-story. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/732 "2017-05-05T00:11:54Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Trump told you _months_ ago this was going to happen. That’s not good enough? > > 😃 [http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/obamacare-repeal-bill-republicans-do-not-like-237982](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/obamacare-repeal-bill-republicans-do-not-like-237982) NO it not good enough b/c the GOP don’t even like their damn fucking health bill ! So why should people like it !!! ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/733 "2017-05-05T01:00:52Z")
[QUOTE=Elucidator] The House Republicans are flying home to bask in the loving approval of their constituents. Interesting times. [/quote] > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Personally I’d organize a lynch mob or two. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ypW9ptwviRU/hqdefault.jpg "run out on a rail.wmv") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypW9ptwviRU) ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/734 "2017-05-05T01:44:55Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Damn. I was already writing the campaign ads! > > I’m sure that this was by design for just this reason, by the way. You would be correct. They refused to bring it to a vote until they had the guarantee of 217 votes. Now, no specific representative can be accused of having been THE one who passed it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/735 "2017-05-05T03:34:13Z")
That means they’re all to blame! ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/736 "2017-05-05T12:15:46Z")
Hold everything - It’s all OK - My President says that nobody will loose their health care and premiums will go down and everybody will have access to great health care…so good, so good. It has to be true cause my President said it and I saw it on TV. Crane ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/737 "2017-05-05T12:43:49Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > My President says that nobody will loose their health care and premiums will go down and everybody will have access to great health care… Hmmm… I’m not calling it a tradition until we get 3 in a row saying it… ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/738 "2017-05-05T13:13:32Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > They wouldn’t have any problem passing it, no matter how many votes it required. This is a non-story. And this was far grumpier than it should have been. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/739 "2017-05-05T15:54:02Z")
I called Representative Pearce’s office and asked about yesterday’s phone calls: 90% against 10% for Even his closed town hall phone session only gave the House Health Care Bill 66% thumbs up. So much for representative government. Crane ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625/740 "2017-05-05T16:08:14Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Hold everything - It’s all OK - My President says that nobody will loose their health care and premiums will go down and everybody will have access to great health care…so good, so good. > > It has to be true cause my President said it and I saw it on TV. > > Crane THIS is one of the reasons I’m so pissed off. If I really thought that most Americans wanted to go back to the way things were before the ACA I’d still be pissed, but at a different set of people for different reasons. And maybe not so much as for me personally the changes are value neutral, my already expensive insurance would go way up because I’m in that sweet spot 60 and 65 but my company would effectively cover half the increase and tax credits will cover the rest of the increase. But I’m pissed that not ONE Republican lawmaker came out and said --" Mr President, my constituents voted for you based on your promises and THIS comes nowhere close to what you promised." There are so many threads on the subject that I wish I could cross post, but as I said the the GD thread, the sheer dishonesty around the passing of this bill is really what infuriates me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumpcare/781625.md?page=38)