# Trump's appoval rating with African Amercians. 36% **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 20, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926 "2018-08-20T17:41:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/21 "2018-08-20T19:21:29Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Ima do a super irritating multiquote. Skip if you hate being irritated. > > That NAACP poll seemed to be what you were asking for. If you were asking for Rasmussen’s tracking polls, though, you’re right that they’re not linked. [About the 21%](https://americasvoice.org/press_releases/new-poll-nations-most-competitive-races-may-hinge-on-trumps-racism/) > [@](#): > > Today, the NAACP released results from a new poll, conducted for the NAACP by the African American Research Collaborative and Latino Decisions, pulling data from voters in 61 of the nation’s most competitive midterm races. **The poll analyzed views of African American, White, Latino, Asian American, and Native American voters in these districts,** which will ultimately decide which party controls the House. > 2,045 registered voters were interviewed in the **61 congressional districts** deemed most competitive by Cook, CNN and Crystal Ball, and the overall poll has a margin of error of +/- 2.1% So it’s 21% in those specific districts, not nationwide. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/22 "2018-08-20T19:31:38Z")
I had 80 cents in my savings account, but now it’s up to $3.60. My wealth has skyrocketed! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/23 "2018-08-20T19:33:08Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Trump won just 8% of the African American vote in 2016. Since then his approval rating with African Americans has skyrocketed to 36%, probably due to him improving the economy, giving tax breaks to middle class and working class individuals, and having record low in-employment. Even jobs such as manufacturing, and Obama once said are not coming back are. The optics of tariffs also makes some think that more domestic companies and new companies might be hiring more people in the USA. > > If Trump can merely double the percentage of the African American vote in 2020, ( say 16% of the African American vote or higher ) Democrats will be in some trouble as they count on 88-90+% of the African American vote to win elections. > > What is the correlation to approval ratings in a demographic group to votes for him or her on election day? When you crowed that Republicans would retain control of the House after the 2018 elections, by a margin of 236-234, were you not chastened about talking about numbers and statistics? [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=860571](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=860571) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/24 "2018-08-20T20:41:30Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So it’s 21% in those specific districts, not nationwide. And, I suspect that, thanks to gerrymandering, many (most?) African-Americans (and Hispanics, for that matter) don’t live in those competitive House districts, but in House districts that were specifically created to yield majorities for African-American or Hispanic voters (most of those districts wind up being pretty reliably Democratic). ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/25 "2018-08-20T22:01:44Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [About the 21%](https://americasvoice.org/press_releases/new-poll-nations-most-competitive-races-may-hinge-on-trumps-racism/) > > So it’s 21% in those specific districts, not nationwide. Good catch. At least in this case Silver Lining wasn’t misrepresenting his cite–it’s just that his cite got it really wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/26 "2018-08-21T00:21:25Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > And, I suspect that, thanks to gerrymandering, many (most?) African-Americans (and Hispanics, for that matter) don’t live in those competitive House districts, but in House districts that were specifically created to yield majorities for African-American or Hispanic voters (most of those districts wind up being pretty reliably Democratic). Of course, after they gerrymander the districts that way they scream foul when nobody in those districts votes GOP. (See the whining done by GOP freaks after the 2012 election where they were stunned that there were few Romney voters in certain sections of North Philadelphia. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/27 "2018-08-21T02:11:43Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Trump won just 8% of the African American vote in 2016. Since then his approval rating with African Americans has skyrocketed to 36% {…} Umm, what does Trump’s percentage of the African American vote in 2016 have to do with Trump’s approval rating with African Americans? ‘They’ don’t _only_ poll actual voters. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/28 "2018-08-21T02:14:34Z")
My memory is leaky, but I seem to recall telling people over and over in, say, 2015 and 2016, never ever to take the results of a single poll seriously. Only look at large numbers of polls together to avoid the perils of outliers. Nate Silver made a fortune by saying this, but anybody who’s ever looked at polling or statistics for more than five minutes should have come to the same conclusion independently. Silver lining, you weren’t around then, so you might want to note this new information. Anybody - right or left - whose posts trumpet a single poll, especially one that presents data out of line with the average of polls, loses all credibility as soon as they hit send. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/29 "2018-08-21T02:22:14Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Nothing I said has anything to do with deplorable. In a thread about support for Trump, it’s automatically implied. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/30 "2018-08-21T02:47:46Z")
The thing is, I’d not much question a number around 15%. Black voters may trend heavily Democratic, but some will always support the Republicans for various reasons. The polling mentioned earlier seems to bear that out. After this many election cycles, however, the OP should really be embarrassed to think highly of a Rasmussen poll. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/31 "2018-08-21T06:13:47Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Trump won just 8% of the African American vote in 2016. Since then his approval rating with African Americans has skyrocketed to 36%, probably due to him improving the economy, giving tax breaks to middle class and working class individuals, and having record low in-employment. Even jobs such as manufacturing, and Obama once said are not coming back are. The optics of tariffs also makes some think that more domestic companies and new companies might be hiring more people in the USA. > > If Trump can merely double the percentage of the African American vote in 2020, ( say 16% of the African American vote or higher ) Democrats will be in some trouble as they count on 88-90+% of the African American vote to win elections. > > What is the correlation to approval ratings in a demographic group to votes for him or her on election day? > [https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/donald-trump-african-american-approval-rating/](https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/donald-trump-african-american-approval-rating/) Here is the black unemployment rate. It spikes to near 17% during the great recession, then steadily goes down. [![](http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/shared/npr/styles/x_large/nprshared/201805/576282205.png) ](http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/shared/npr/styles/x_large/nprshared/201805/576282205.png) It is insulting that so many people on the right spent the last 8 years saying the economy was horrible, terrible, miserable. But now that a republican is president the GOP is more than eager to take credit for Obama’s accomplishments. Obama and his policies led to the low african american unemployment rate. Trump is just taking credit for Obama’s competent leadership. After 8 years of insulting Obama, the GOP is more than willing to take credit for his achievements and his work. Which is really insulting to those of us who supported him and elected him. Its like watching someone rake up leaves in a yard while another person sits in a recliner and complains endlessly about what a horrible job they are doing, but when the job is done they take credit for it. Its insulting and ignorant. Thanks Obama. Having said that, seeing how Trump’s overall approval is barely 40%, I find it hard to believe that blacks are approving of him at 36%. According to Pew, Trump has a 14% approval, 80% disapproval rate from blacks. That sounds more realistic. > **[1. Views of Donald Trump](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/06/20/1-views-of-donald-trump/)** > > The public’s views of Donald Trump across a number of dimensions – including his respect for democratic institutions, trust in what he says and whether he ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/32 "2018-08-21T09:57:09Z")
Others point out that the numbers quoted by **Mr. lining** are incorrect. However, **Mr. lining** suffers from another problem: He misinterprets the meaning of approval. It is possible to approve of a President you didn’t vote for. I voted for Bill Clinton, but would have approved of George H.W. Bush had he been re-elected. For example, consider this [2003 report from Gallup Polls](https://news.gallup.com/poll/8749/blacks-give-bush-low-marks-hispanics-more-positive.aspx): > [@](#): > > [George W.] Bush’s job approval rating is … only 32% among blacks. > … last year’s [result was] 41% of blacks. The same [Gallup company reports](https://news.gallup.com/poll/9469/election-polls-vote-groups-20002004.aspx) that _in the 2000 election, Blacks voted 95% for Gore, 3% for Bush, 2% for Nader._ Please think about that for a moment, OP. Only 3% of Blacks had voted for Bush in 2000, yet Gallup found it surprising that only 32% approved of him in 2003. I’ve given you the clues to understand this. Do you? BTW, **Mr. lining** , at the risk of “junior-modding” I will say that at SDMB we answer questions when we can as well as asking them. I think this is the 7th question of yours I’ve answered, but you have yet to answer a single one of mine. Let’s start with this one: _Do you now understand the difference between voting for a President and approving of his performance?_ ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/33 "2018-08-21T12:09:08Z")
Similarly, I voted for Dukakis but I approved of George HW Bush’s performance. You can approve of someone you didn’t vote for, though GHWB is the only Republican that I have ever approved of. I have grave doubts about the 36% figure, considering Charlottesville, Racist Prick Sessions in the AG slot, Donald’s open racism, etc. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/35 "2018-08-21T15:12:19Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > Yeah, Rasmussen is a joke outfit. I was just answering with the only claim I’ve seen for earlier results. They have a bias but they aren’t enough of a joke to get banned from 538 poll averaging. They give them a C+ which is higher than SurveyMonkey. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/36 "2018-08-21T16:31:18Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [About the 21%](https://americasvoice.org/press_releases/new-poll-nations-most-competitive-races-may-hinge-on-trumps-racism/) > > So it’s 21% in those specific districts, not nationwide. Can anyone find an actual breakdown of what the actual question and answers were? This just shows approve and disapprove, no “No Opinion.” So basically everyone from “Yeah sure, I don’t really care” to “MAGA MAGA MAGA” is considered “approved.” ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926/37 "2018-08-21T18:11:53Z")
Funny how the OP starts a lot of threads like this, then he becomes harder to find than Donald Trump’s tax returns. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-appoval-rating-with-african-amercians-36/819926.md?page=1)