# Trump's Cabinet of Curiosities **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 10, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367 "2016-11-10T16:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/981 "2017-02-02T18:57:28Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Neil Gorsuch founded the Fascism Forever Club at his high school. Cite I’m guessing the way to fight fake news is more fake news ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/982 "2017-02-02T18:58:35Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > And this has to do with RMN foreign policy just how? It’s called a comparison. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/983 "2017-02-02T19:01:32Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Cite > > I’m guessing the way to fight fake news is more fake news I stand corrected :0 Toung in cheek probably but still :0 ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/984 "2017-02-02T19:02:39Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It’s called a comparison. Or ignorance When u don’t have facts… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/985 "2017-02-02T19:05:51Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Or ignorance > > When u don’t have facts… …You don’t spell or punctuate properly? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/986 "2017-02-02T19:07:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > …You don’t spell or punctuate properly? 😃 Not if I kan help it 😛 ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/987 "2017-02-02T19:11:09Z")
Tillerson came to the State Department today, and apparently designed his visit and his remarks to be the exact opposite of Trump’s visit to the CIA. He stood in front of a wall of plaques honoring diplomats who died in the line of duty, and actually spoke about their sacrifice … not about the media and the size of his crowd. This is the most encouraging thing that’s happened since Nov 8. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/988 "2017-02-02T19:46:09Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > The first part of your post contradicts the second. Nixon had a very successful foreign policy and felt he couldn’t pursue it solely through the State Department. Kissinger’s memoirs has a thorough telling of the process. The Nixon administration’s secrecy and concentration of power in the White House were ultimately disastrous. Nixon and Kissinger wasted tens of thousands of American lives (and many more Vietnamese) in an effort that in the long run ended in defeat for American interests. A great success indeed. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/989 "2017-02-02T19:58:22Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The Nixon administration’s secrecy and concentration of power in the White House were ultimately disastrous. Nixon and Kissinger wasted tens of thousands of American lives (and many more Vietnamese) in an effort that in the long run ended in defeat for American interests. > > A great success indeed. The first part of your post has nothing to do with his foreign policy and the second part isn’t clear. They constantly negotiated with the North to bring peace to Vietnam. I’m not sure that allowing the North to triumph was a good thing unless you think reeducation camps, boat people and a single party dictatorship is a positive outcome. And you very conveniently ignore the opening of China and detente with the Soviets. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/990 "2017-02-02T20:31:20Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Cite > > I’m guessing the way to fight fake news is more fake news So I guess all of these are fake news: > **[Supreme Court nominee Gorsuch in his youth: "Fascism Forever"](https://www.salon.com/2017/02/02/supreme-court-nominee-gorsuch-in-his-youth-fascism-forever_partner/)** > > This story has been retracted. > **[Neil Gorsuch may not have started actual fascism club in high school](https://nypost.com/2017/02/02/neil-gorsuch-started-fascism-forever-club-in-high-school/)** > > Judge Neil Gorsuch, President Trump’s nominee for the Supreme Court, claimed that he founded a student group called Fascism Forever Club to tweak lefties at his elite high school, according to a re… [http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-02-02/neil-gorsuch-founded-fascism-forever-club-report-says](http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-02-02/neil-gorsuch-founded-fascism-forever-club-report-says) and I guess the picture from his yearbook is fake, too:[SCOTUS Nominee Gorsuch Started 'Fascism Forever' Club at Elite Prep School | Common Dreams](http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/02/02/scotus-nominee-gorsuch-started-fascism-forever-club-elite-prep-school) ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/991 "2017-02-02T20:34:01Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > So I guess all of these are fake news: > [http://www.salon.com/2017/02/02/supreme-court-nominee-gorsuch-in-his-youth-fascism-forever\_partner/](http://www.salon.com/2017/02/02/supreme-court-nominee-gorsuch-in-his-youth-fascism-forever_partner/) > [Neil Gorsuch may not have started actual fascism club in high school](http://nypost.com/2017/02/02/neil-gorsuch-started-fascism-forever-club-in-high-school/) > [http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-02-02/neil-gorsuch-founded-fascism-forever-club-report-says](http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-02-02/neil-gorsuch-founded-fascism-forever-club-report-says) > and I guess the picture from his yearbook is fake, too:[SCOTUS Nominee Gorsuch Started 'Fascism Forever' Club at Elite Prep School | Common Dreams](http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/02/02/scotus-nominee-gorsuch-started-fascism-forever-club-elite-prep-school) See a post or two down from my post u quoted. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/992 "2017-02-02T20:35:50Z")
And remember context, he was a teenager being contrarian. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/993 "2017-02-02T20:39:23Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > And remember context, he was a teenager being contrarian. First you thought it was too outlandish to be real, then when you are shown that it is real suddenly it’s not that big a deal? Looks like you’ve got all the bases covered there. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/994 "2017-02-02T20:40:30Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > And remember context, he was a teenager being contrarian. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is the same smarmy asshole he was in high school. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/995 "2017-02-02T20:46:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > First you thought it was too outlandish to be real, then when you are shown that it is real suddenly it’s not that big a deal? > Looks like you’ve got all the bases covered there. I did think it was too outrageous to be true. I was wrong. I do think no one should be pilloried for teenage thought and behavior. If he carried those thoughts into adulthood, that’s a different story. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/996 "2017-02-02T20:47:36Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > On the other hand, Ted Cruz is the same smarmy asshole he was in high school. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/997 "2017-02-03T17:38:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > So I guess all of these are fake news: > [http://www.salon.com/2017/02/02/supreme-court-nominee-gorsuch-in-his-youth-fascism-forever\_partner/](http://www.salon.com/2017/02/02/supreme-court-nominee-gorsuch-in-his-youth-fascism-forever_partner/) > [Neil Gorsuch may not have started actual fascism club in high school](http://nypost.com/2017/02/02/neil-gorsuch-started-fascism-forever-club-in-high-school/) > [http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-02-02/neil-gorsuch-founded-fascism-forever-club-report-says](http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-02-02/neil-gorsuch-founded-fascism-forever-club-report-says) > and I guess the picture from his yearbook is fake, too:[SCOTUS Nominee Gorsuch Started 'Fascism Forever' Club at Elite Prep School | Common Dreams](http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/02/02/scotus-nominee-gorsuch-started-fascism-forever-club-elite-prep-school) Yep. All these are fake news. > **[Did Neil Gorsuch Found a High School 'Fascism Forever' Club?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/)** > > Tabloid claims that Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch had founded a "Fascism Forever" club in high school proved false. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/998 "2017-02-03T17:57:29Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Yep. All these are fake news. > > [Did Neil Gorsuch Found a High School 'Fascism Forever' Club? | Snopes.com](http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/) Will wonders never cease. A Trump supporter who believes Snopes! ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/999 "2017-02-03T18:29:39Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Yep. All these are fake news. > > [Did Neil Gorsuch Found a High School 'Fascism Forever' Club? | Snopes.com](http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/) I think most of us with critical thinking skills realize (or hope) it’s tongue-in-cheek. Not particularly funny, but teenagers are assholes. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367/1000 "2017-02-03T18:34:16Z")
Looks like everyone has retracted the story (except US News so far), but goddamit, why is the media quoting the fucking Daily Mail? Might as well report The Onion stories as fact for the track record that rag has. Looks like editors do lack the necessary critical thinking skills, [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-cabinet-of-curiosities/771367.md?page=51)