# Trump's campaign chief engages in voter fraud **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 26, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025 "2016-08-26T17:11:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/81 "2016-08-27T22:11:01Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Apparently he has decided to correct the problem of registering his residence at a house in Florida where he doesn’t live . . . by [registering at a different home in Florida where he also doesn’t live](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/26/steve-bannon-florida-voter-registration-home-breitbart-writer). > > Can’t make this stuff up. From that link: “Badolato states on his website that he is an “entrepreneur, senior level executive, venture capitalist and seed stage investor” and claims to have founded companies that reached a total of $26bn in market capitalization. According to federal court records, he has filed for bankruptcy four times since 2008.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/82 "2016-08-27T22:15:10Z")
_Extreme_ vetting. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/83 "2016-08-27T22:56:42Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Bannon also lives in Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. According to tax records, the D.C. residence “is actually owned by Mostafa El-Gindy, an Egyptian businessman and former member of parliament. I keep TELLING you people, Mostafa had nothing to do with it. The guy you want is named Bobby Maxwell… > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I’m thinking another word Trump apparently doesn’t know the meaning of is “vetting.” Sweet, delicious irony. Normally, I’d recommend a full-bodied red from our cellars to go along with that, but given the August heat, might you consider a cold and crisp Chardonnay instead…? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/84 "2016-08-28T00:07:52Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > I keep TELLING you people, Mostafa had nothing to do with it. > > The guy you want is named Bobby Maxwell… Look at her hands! Look at her hands! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/85 "2016-08-28T01:06:09Z")
If the authorities never check for this kind of thing, why shouldn’t everyone just do it? I live in Florida, a state that is always important, but what if I feel like voting in North Carolina instead? How can it be prevented? I’d also note that if the authorities don’t care if you run for office in states you don’t live in (hello, Evan Bayh and Dick Lugar!), why would they care about where you vote? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/86 "2016-08-28T02:15:10Z")
Is that the plan, now? Suddenly Trump’s campaign manager is submitting fake voter registrations but suddenly Republicans don’t care about that any more? Living in Florida, adaher, you should check those cites I posted earlier. The laws in Florida specifically say that anyone who submits false data\*\* or\*\* **helps someone else to submit false data** , are guilty of a felony. If Steve Bannon calls you, hang up! ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/87 "2016-08-28T02:58:47Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > Earned income yes, taxes are due where the money is earned. Unearned income, like dividends and interest are subject to the tax in the state the person resides. This is either untrue or varies from state to state. I work in NY and live in NJ and every year, I get a huge tax refund from NY, I think all the taxes paid, and have to pay during the year to NJ, since I wouldn’t have paid taxes that would be due. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/88 "2016-08-28T03:32:00Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > This is either untrue or varies from state to state. I work in NY and live in NJ and every year, I get a huge tax refund from NY, I think all the taxes paid, and have to pay during the year to NJ, since I wouldn’t have paid taxes that would be due. States right next to each other often have reciprocal arrangements for citizens that live in one and work in the other. Ohio and Indiana have one. You get all taxes back from work you do in one and pay taxes on it in the other. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/89 "2016-08-28T05:59:34Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I asked a question above about whether a tick box or another full voter registration form was required while registering to vote when getting a driver’s license. What exactly do you expect me to “walk you through”? It might be pertinent to raise the question of whether he holds a Florida driving license **before** demanding that people examine the possibility that a glitch in his Motor Voter forms led to the problematic registration. It might also be instructive to explore whether he ever requested absentee voter materials from the state of Florida during the past seven years. If such information is generally available. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/90 "2016-08-28T06:13:23Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Whelp, that does it I guess. I was arguing so hard that he had valid legal and ethical reasons for his wrong voter registration but you guys done proved me wrong. That’s some egg on my face. And some on mine, for submitting my previous post after you had already conceded the point. My apologies. Still be interested in knowing if he asked for an absentee ballot to be sent to him. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/91 "2016-08-28T07:15:31Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Is that the plan, now? Suddenly Trump’s campaign manager is submitting fake voter registrations but suddenly Republicans don’t care about that any more? > > Living in Florida, adaher, you should check those cites I posted earlier. The laws in Florida specifically say that anyone who submits false data\*\* or\*\* **helps someone else to submit false data** , are guilty of a felony. If Steve Bannon calls you, hang up! Which means precisely nothing if the authorities aren’t interested in enforcing it. Monkey Cage found that many non-citizens had voted. Has a single immigrant been deported for voter fraud, ever? Interesting how the media can find these people but the authorities never can. And as I said before, the first thing those in charge should do is start disqualifying politicians who haven’t lived in their states for decades. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/92 "2016-08-28T11:22:36Z")
And sworn testimony from Bannon’s ex now suggests he has a bit of a Jew hating problem as well: > **[Trump Campaign CEO made anti-Semitic remarks, ex-wife says](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-campaign-ceo-steve-bannon-accused-anti-semitic-remarks-ex-n638731)** > > The court declaration outlined three anti-Semitic remarks that Bannon allegedly made about elite private schools they were looking at for their twins. I keep thinking that Trump is setting this up so that he can give his brand a little more ‘oomph’ after he loses the race. But it’s now actually getting closer to the point where his brand may be so badly damaged that even companies who are willing to take some risks might shy away from the Trump name. The association between Trump and white christian nationalism is becoming stronger by the day – and more permanent. If I were his family, I would seriously be considering asking the Donald to give it up and find some “health reasons” to give the race over to Mike Pence – if that’s even possible at this point. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/93 "2016-08-28T11:41:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Which means precisely nothing if the authorities aren’t interested in enforcing it. > > Monkey Cage found that many non-citizens had voted. Has a single immigrant been deported for voter fraud, ever? Interesting how the media can find these people but the authorities never can. > > And as I said before, the first thing those in charge should do is start disqualifying politicians who haven’t lived in their states for decades. Those in charge of what, exactly? Enacting new legislation, or enforcing existing legislation? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/94 "2016-08-28T11:43:03Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > And sworn testimony from Bannon’s ex now suggests he has a bit of a Jew hating problem as well: > > [Trump Campaign CEO Steve Bannon Accused of Anti-Semitic Remarks by Ex-Wife](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-campaign-ceo-steve-bannon-accused-anti-semitic-remarks-ex-n638731) > > I keep thinking that Trump is setting this up so that he can give his brand a little more ‘oomph’ after he loses the race. But it’s now actually getting closer to the point where his brand may be so badly damaged that even companies who are willing to take some risks might shy away from the Trump name. The association between Trump and white christian nationalism is becoming stronger by the day – and more permanent. > > If I were his family, I would seriously be considering asking the Donald to give it up and find some “health reasons” to give the race over to Mike Pence – if that’s even possible at this point. Please don’t let this happen. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/95 "2016-08-28T11:47:14Z")
I don’t doubt the oppo file on Pence is pretty thick, too. The Super PAC ads are probably already in the can, just in case. So I’m not worried on that count. Besides, do you really think Trump’s ego would even let him pull out? Betcha he doesn’t even concede respectably on Election Night. Ten more weeks to go … ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/96 "2016-08-28T14:38:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Which means precisely nothing if the authorities aren’t interested in enforcing it. … What would you suggest they _do_ to prevent and enforce against the sort of voter fraud we are discussing, the sort that Bannon seems to have committed and apparently with intention to break a law? Or for that matter the sort that [the Monkey Cage article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/) concludes, as their “best guess”, may exist enough to be impactful in a few close elections, a sort that they believe is committed more without intent but out ignorance, a result of “lack of awareness about legal barriers”? Serious suggestions only please. Note also from the article: > [@](#): > > We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted. How much effort and how many dollars invested should the state of Florida invest in checking that people like Bannon, who are willing to give explicitly false statements, really do live in the state as their “predominant and principal home”? If we are to believe the Monkey Cage best guesses then at least non-citizens who register and vote would not do so if they merely had to read and sign the sort of notice that Bannon did. I do think that when there is awareness that fraud, with clear intent to commit such, has occurred it should be prosecuted to to the full extent that the law allows. I would be more lenient if Bannon (or others) could convincingly plead ignorance and a lack of intent to be fraudulent. I do think that states should be making sure that the legal qualifications to register and to vote and understood when individuals register. The balance however is as contained in the National Voter Registration Act, that there must not be inordinate barriers that may prevent those entitled to vote from doing so, thus voter eligibility can and should be determined with “minimal information.” (As cited in the [Kansas](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/105ca12809694ca98e7ad9e0faad7b81/judge-says-kansas-cant-require-citizenship-proof-vote) case.) “Attesting under penalty of perjury that the registrant was a U.S. citizen” and otherwise eligible to vote in the state within which they are registering would, per Monkey Cage, likely do much good to prevent non-citizen voting … but it would not do much to prevent the Bannons. Look, some people cheat on their taxes and more make honest errors and intend to be legal; I suspect that many who do get away with it. But most do not cheat and the reason they do not cheat is less fear of being caught than it is we know it is a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/97 "2016-08-28T15:04:46Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > This is either untrue or varies from state to state. I work in NY and live in NJ and every year, I get a huge tax refund from NY, I think all the taxes paid, and have to pay during the year to NJ, since I wouldn’t have paid taxes that would be due. You don’t pay taxes in both states. If your employer withholds taxes in both NJ and NY you get a credit in NY for all NJ income taxes paid. If the amount withheld in NJ exceeds the amount due in NY you would get all of the money withheld in NY back as a refund. Again, this is only on earned income, like wages. Taxes on unearned income are only paid in the state you reside in. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/98 "2016-08-28T15:18:29Z")
Anyone with any idea why some major news sources are not reporting on the Bannon voter fraud story? Nothing on it in the NYT for example (although they do carry his wife’s sworn testimony in divorce proceedings that he didn’t want “girls going to school with Jews” apparently because Jews raise their kids to be “whiny brats.”) Nothing I can find in the WSJ either. How confirmed is this one? ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/99 "2016-08-28T15:33:40Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Look at her hands! Look at her hands! “I’m not doin’ it for them.” “Who then?” “You wouldn’t believe me if I told you.” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025/100 "2016-08-28T17:22:47Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Anyone with any idea why some major news sources are not reporting on the Bannon voter fraud story? > > Nothing on it in the NYT for example (although they do carry his wife’s sworn testimony in divorce proceedings that he didn’t want “girls going to school with Jews” apparently because Jews raise their kids to be “whiny brats.”) Nothing I can find in the WSJ either. > > How confirmed is this one? The Florida voting list is public information, yes he’s on it. I suspect the NY Times is waiting for the fuller story because like I said, the idea that he’s flying to the opposite side of the country to cast a vote is ridiculous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-campaign-chief-engages-in-voter-fraud/764025.md?page=6)