# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/201 "2017-01-30T02:28:46Z")
I am convinced that the only way to support a free press that will actively contest “alternative facts” is to get paid (electronic or paper) subscriptions to responsible publications. You pick 'em. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/202 "2017-01-30T03:21:26Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > The press over here are going on about it being an anti-Muslim order, but I’ve looked at the order as detailed in the OP, and as far as I can tell, in the general exclusion part, it affects persons of all faiths. Christian, Muslim, Zoroastran, all of them. Only in the part about refugees does it mandate prioritising minority faiths. > > Am I reading it correctly? Let’s go back to December 7, 2015, when a press release from Mr. Trump’s office said this: > [@](#): > > Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of **Muslims** entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on. [https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration](https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration) My bolding. As I recall, Mr. Trump repeated this precise statement numerous times on the stump, and all the countries currently affected are majority muslim. Whatever the Administration’s claims may be, it is not unreasonable to believe that the order is intended to target muslims. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/203 "2017-01-30T04:09:54Z")
Good. Fucking. Grief. [White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media info and cell phone contacts](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-immigrant-policy-social-media-contacts/index.html) > [@](#): > > … > [White House policy director Stephen] Miller also noted on Saturday that Trump administration officials are discussing the possibility of asking foreign visitors to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones. If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry. Sources told CNN that the idea is just in the preliminary discussion level. The social media posts calling for jihad by San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik – made under a pseudonym and with strict privacy settings – are part of this discussion. How such a policy would be implemented remains under discussion. > … > > White House press secretary Sean Spicer did not respond to a request for comment… …because he was at home screaming into a pillow. (I made that last part up.) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/204 "2017-01-30T04:56:22Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > **Mrs. Siam Sam** is back in Thailand until early March. She’s a green-card holder, and I’m worried about what could happen. Sure, she is not a Muslim and does not have a Muslim name. Thailand’s not on the list and is not a Muslim country anyway. But there is a Muslim population there, and for the past 13 years they’ve been waging an insurrection in the country’s far South, down the Malay Peninsula. So who knows what that orange-haired fuck will do next. One of my coworkers is a green-card who’s afraid to visit family in Mexico in case Trump tries to pull something like over Mexico refusing to pay for his stupid wall. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/205 "2017-01-30T05:00:50Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Good. Fucking. Grief. > > [White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media info and cell phone contacts](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-immigrant-policy-social-media-contacts/index.html) > > …because he was at home screaming into a pillow. (I made that last part up.) I don’t believe Spicer has the slightest problem lying. He’s the one that came up with the “My Little Pony” defense over Melania’s plagiarism. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/206 "2017-01-30T05:42:32Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > As I recall, Mr. Trump repeated this precise statement numerous times on the stump, and all the countries currently affected are majority muslim. Whatever the Administration’s claims may be, it is not unreasonable to believe that the order is intended to target muslims. Indeed. This was in Canada’s _National Post_, which often reprints items, such as this, from the _Washington Post_: [Trump asked Rudy Giuliani for a ‘Muslim ban’ and ordered a commission to do it ‘legally’](http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/trump-asked-rudy-giuliani-for-a-muslim-ban-and-ordered-a-commission-to-do-it-legally) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/207 "2017-01-30T05:48:05Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Indeed. This was in Canada’s _National Post_, which often reprints items, such as this, from the _Washington Post_: > > [Trump asked Rudy Giuliani for a ‘Muslim ban’ and ordered a commission to do it ‘legally’](http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/trump-asked-rudy-giuliani-for-a-muslim-ban-and-ordered-a-commission-to-do-it-legally) Rudy does sound a lot like the gangsters of old that were even proud of their “work”. But, what about his own words that could be used in a court of law later? No worries, because like the gangsters of old, he does know that he has the authorities in his pocket. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/208 "2017-01-30T07:04:21Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > I am convinced that the only way to support a free press that will actively contest “alternative facts” is to get paid (electronic or paper) subscriptions to responsible publications. You pick 'em. I’ve kept my local subscription — paper and now e-edition — for about forty years, for pretty much the reason you mention. Granted that much of the time its value is limited to wrapping fish and lining birdcages, I do want it to stick around as a counterpoint to the drivel which masquerades as “news” all too frequently of late. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/209 "2017-01-30T07:59:27Z")
Its worse than morally wrong, it is also stupid and ineffective. The true Islamic nutbars aren’t recruiting their own to emigrate to America and hide out until they can attack. They are pouring out propaganda to reach American Muslim men and provoke them to some outrage that they can then claim to have planned and carried out. Most likely, the would view an approach by an American Muslim with suspicion, they have to be expecting an effort to infiltrate. Why take such a risk when you can simply pour out provocative propaganda and wait for results? And if their “recruits” are mostly bitter, dim and half-crazy losers, why should they care? The appearance of power is power, making people afraid is the point of terrorism, why should they care if the appearance has no substance? They are winning, they already have us creating more recruits for them by confirming their lies, that America is the enemy of anything Islamic. We make their case for them by wasting time vetting the innocent. Harassing and harrying pathetic Muslim refugees doesn’t prevent terrorism, it makes it more likely. Bad enough that it is wrong, worse that it is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/210 "2017-01-30T08:06:55Z")
[How many more enemies](http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/01/29/Trump-accuses-McCain-Graham-looking-to-start-World-War-III/4741485730763/) can he afford to make? Senators WetStart and MissLindsey (former presidential candidates) said > [@](#): > > … Trump’s “executive order was not properly vetted” because of “confusion at our airports across the nation.” > > “At this very moment, American troops are fighting side-by-side with our Iraqi partners to defeat ISIL. But this executive order bans Iraqi pilots from coming to military bases in Arizona to fight our common enemies. Our most important allies in the fight against ISIL are the vast majority of Muslims who reject its apocalyptic ideology of hatred.” So SaDon twitted back, > [@](#): > > The two Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III. Damn those hawks, _always_ trying to get WWIII going. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/211 "2017-01-30T08:34:44Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > That idea’s sounding increasingly palatable to this Canadian. Just to be thorough, though, it would also have to run right down the middle of Juan de Fuca Straight, between the Olympic Peninsula and Vancouver Island, which would be YUGE expensive. Would you be willing to take on a boarder? Give me a mattress and a closet, and you won’t even know I’m there. Usually. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/212 "2017-01-30T09:46:04Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Would you be willing to take on a boarder? Give me a mattress and a closet, and you won’t even know I’m there. Usually. You have to have a Wall, though. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/213 "2017-01-30T10:52:57Z")
[Our Tantrum-in-Chief:](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-statement-executive-order-extreme-vetting) [QUOTE=The Abomination of Desolation] America is a proud nation of immigrants and we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will do so while protecting our own citizens and border. America has always been the land of the free and home of the brave. We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say. My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror. To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting. This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days. I have tremendous feeling for the people involved in this horrific humanitarian crisis in Syria. My first priority will always be to protect and serve our country, but as President I will find ways to help all those who are suffering. [/QUOTE] Blames Obama twice - I bet his supporters are surprised as hell to find he’s blindly following Obama’s lead re terrorism! - and blames the media twice, in the space of just a few hundred words. What a stand-up guy, I tell ya. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/214 "2017-01-30T11:55:17Z")
Between the ‘all lives matter’-ing of the Holocaust, and the Muslim ban, is it possible that the Trump Administration was observing [National Brotherhood Week](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY), and forgot to tell us? _It’s only for a week, so have no fear, be grateful that it doesn’t last all year!_ We should be so lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/215 "2017-01-30T12:34:54Z")
[The Feds are now ignoring recent court orders](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-courts-constitutional-crisis_us_588ea5bfe4b0176377953710?) as if that branch of the government doesn’t even exist. ---
**Author:** ![luvrbcs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@luvrbcs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/luvrbcs)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/216 "2017-01-30T13:08:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [The Feds are now ignoring recent court orders](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-courts-constitutional-crisis_us_588ea5bfe4b0176377953710?) as if that branch of the government doesn’t even exist. But, what can be done about this refusal? Can the officials be arrested? What recourse is there? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/217 "2017-01-30T13:13:32Z")
> [@luvrbcs](#): > > But, what can be done about this refusal? Can the officials be arrested? What recourse is there? Arrested by who-the Feds? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/218 "2017-01-30T13:19:09Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Arrested by who-the Feds? The local police. Can a Federal judge orders local police to arrest federal agents? If so, will they? ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/219 "2017-01-30T13:30:39Z")
There’s always _Posse Comitatus_. Although one of the movement’s key tenets seems to be rejection of any authority higher than the County Sheriff, I rather imagine they’d make an exception for His Orangeness. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/220 "2017-01-30T13:38:35Z")
> [@luvrbcs](#): > > But, what can be done about this refusal? Can the officials be arrested? What recourse is there? The only thing that can be done is for Congress to impeach the officials who are refusing to comply. Our system of government depends on the voluntary compliance with norms by public officials. If they decide not to comply, the system breaks down. This is a constitutional crisis. This is how democracy ends. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=12)