# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/341 "2017-01-31T00:35:15Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > No Berloscuni. I’ve been personally saying for over a year now that he’s more Mussolini than Berlusconi, but eh - close enough. > [@](#): > > In a democratic republic, the politics must be compromises, so “keeping campaign promises to the letter” will nearly always be an impossibility. > > It is in the dictatorships that keeping promises to the letter is ‘normal’ as all compromise and engagement with the opposition can be overridden. This is a good point which should not go unobserved. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/342 "2017-01-31T01:00:04Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …holy mother fucking jesus christ jack shit! > > It looks like there was a “check and balance” that the Trump Regime missed in their rush to implement this new policy. So I fully expect that today is Sally Yate’s last day as Acting Attorney General. She is gone, soon as Sessions gets sworn in as the new AG. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/343 "2017-01-31T01:15:21Z")
Trump to State Dept staff: “If you don’t like the Exec Order, you can leave.” White House to Dissenting U.S. Diplomats: ‘Get With the Program’ or Leave [https://nyti.ms/2jOiH8q](https://nyti.ms/2jOiH8q) > [@](#): > > … > WASHINGTON — The White House on Monday warned State Department officials that they should leave their jobs if they did not agree with President Trump’s agenda, an extraordinary effort to stamp out a wave of internal dissent against Mr. Trump’s temporary ban on entry visas for people from seven predominantly Muslim countries. > … > > “These career bureaucrats have a problem with it?” Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, told reporters. “They should either get with the program or they can go.” > … > > But Mr. Spicer’s blunt warning posed a particularly difficult choice to the more than 100 State Department officials who signaled they would sign the memo. They can sign a final version, which would be put on the desk of Rex W. Tillerson, Mr. Trump’s designated secretary of state, on his first day in office. Or they can choose not to identify themselves, and instead rely on the leak of the letter to make their point. > > Under State Department rules and whistle-blower laws, it is forbidden to retaliate against any employee who follows the procedures and submits a dissent memorandum. One of the signatories, in a text message, said State Department signatories were trying to figure out what to do… > [@SteveG1](#): > > She is gone, soon as Sessions gets sworn in as the new AG. The Democrats need to drag their feet on that. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/344 "2017-01-31T01:17:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The article mentioned that she is the only person who is authorized to sign foreign surveillance warrants. > It was mentioned on CNN that if she is fired, there will be no one to perform that duty. > Only a Senate confirmed person can sign those warrants. > I’ll bet Trump doesn’t know that. Of course Trump doesn’t know that, and you’ll win that bet. I’ll also bet double-or-nothing that he doesn’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/345 "2017-01-31T01:43:03Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > She is gone, soon as Sessions gets sworn in as the new AG. That has turned Session’s confirmation into a referendum on this issue. Not that they probably won’t still confirm him. But some may use the process to force the issue by insisting he commit to a position prior to confirmation. Trump and his inner circle are trying to run the government by decree and it’s starting to piss off even those who support him. While this should have been predictable to anyone with even a modicum of awareness it seems to have caught a bunch of them by surprise. They completely bypassed the House Homeland Security and Judiciary Committees who have jurisdiction over immigration issues. They didn’t know about it until it was being signed on live television. They also failed to inform or consult with the Senate Majority Whip and Senate Foreign Relations Committees. They also chose not to communicate any of this in advance with the Speaker of the House. All of them have spoken on record today to say they weren’t consulted prior to the order and had no hand in its creation. I wouldn’t assume automatic rubber stamp confirmations for any of his picks anymore. Then again I wouldn’t have assumed we’d ever be talking about the reality of a religious ban currently in effect in the USA. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/346 "2017-01-31T01:45:17Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > Trump and his inner circle are trying to run the government by decree and it’s starting to piss off even those who support him. While this should have been predictable to anyone with even a modicum of awareness it seems to have caught a bunch of them by surprise. “Ummmmm guys? It turn out that Trump is an unpredictable asshole, who is doing whatever the hell he wants like a dictator.” “What? Who on earth could have predicted that?!” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/347 "2017-01-31T01:48:39Z")
In other news, [Trump’s voter fraud expert registered in 3 states](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-voter-fraud-expert-phillips-20170130-story.html). Christ! What a dolt. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/348 "2017-01-31T01:49:02Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Why are so many Trump supporters obsessed with making liberals take hits to their ego and less with the actions, behavior, and competency of their elected leader. This obsession with liberals is not healthy. Actually breaking someone ego is positive for them. You are elevated When your ego is broken . One feels bad at that moment but in longer, it’s a positive . Some Trump opponents, like a few on sdmb (who I genuinely love) have egos of size of burj khalifa. These egos need a bit of denting. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/349 "2017-01-31T01:49:09Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “Ummmmm guys? It turn out that Trump is an unpredictable asshole, who is doing whatever the hell he wants like a dictator.” > > “What? Who on earth could have predicted that?!” But, but, but… emails! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/350 "2017-01-31T01:51:35Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > In other news, [Trump’s voter fraud expert registered in 3 states](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-voter-fraud-expert-phillips-20170130-story.html). Christ! What a dolt. That’s what makes him an expert. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/351 "2017-01-31T01:54:30Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > They completely bypassed the House Homeland Security and Judiciary Committees who have jurisdiction over immigration issues. They didn’t know about it until it was being signed on live television. They also failed to inform or consult with the Senate Majority Whip and Senate Foreign Relations Committees. They also chose not to communicate any of this in advance with the Speaker of the House. All of them have spoken on record today to say they weren’t consulted prior to the order and had no hand in its creation. The Republicans have a decision to make, and they need to make it relatively quickly. Is the government now purely presidential… A Trump government? Or is there any place at all for the Senate, House and Judiciary? Will they roll over and show their bellies at this point, and give all power to Trump? Will he be an effective dictator going forward? In the next week, they are going to have to decide. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/352 "2017-01-31T01:55:53Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That’s what makes him an expert. 😃 There seems to be a lot of that going around, **running coach**. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/353 "2017-01-31T02:08:36Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Yup. He couldn’t have done a better job at recruitment if ISIS had paid him. > > [Jihadist groups hail Trump’s travel ban as a victory](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/jihadist-groups-hail-trumps-travel-ban-as-a-victory/2017/01/29/50908986-e66d-11e6-b82f-687d6e6a3e7c_story.html) Are we sure they aren’t paying him? Donald is al about the almighty dollar. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/354 "2017-01-31T02:11:40Z")
I think we should shut down payment to Donald Trump until we can figure out what’s going on. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/355 "2017-01-31T02:14:37Z")
Okay, why do Trump supporters and/or conservatives think that views that this is a “Constitutional crisis” are silly or overblown? I’ve been dying to ask this, but I have no idea where. It may get lost in this thread, but what the hell. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/356 "2017-01-31T02:15:27Z")
Trump must’ve guessed someone woud suggest such thing, **Ludovic**. Why else is he doing his stint without salary? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/357 "2017-01-31T02:17:49Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Actually breaking someone ego is positive for them. You are elevated When your ego is broken . One feels bad at that moment but in longer, it’s a positive . Some Trump opponents, like a few on sdmb (who I genuinely love) have egos of size of burj khalifa. These egos need a bit of denting. Suck a wet turd, fucksack. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/358 "2017-01-31T02:22:58Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Okay, why do Trump supporters and/or conservatives think that views that this is a “Constitutional crisis” are silly or overblown? I’ve been dying to ask this, but I have no idea where. It may get lost in this thread, but what the hell. I know there are Trump supporters in here. If the border patrol agents can ignore court orders, how is this NOT a breakdown of the checks and balances we have in place? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/359 "2017-01-31T02:30:24Z")
[Trump Fires Acting Attorney General](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/politics/trump-immigration-ban-memo.html) > [@](#): > > President Trump fired his acting attorney general on Monday after she defiantly refused to defend his immigration executive order, accusing the Democratic holdover of trying to obstruct his agenda for political reasons. > > Taking action in an escalating crisis for his 10-day-old administration, Mr. Trump declared that Sally Q. Yates\*\* had “betrayed” the administration\*\*, the White House said in a statement. > > The president appointed Dana J. Boente, United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, to serve as acting attorney general until Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama is confirmed. Tin plated dictator with delusions of godhood. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/360 "2017-01-31T02:34:30Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Actually breaking someone ego is positive for them. You are elevated When your ego is broken . One feels bad at that moment but in longer, it’s a positive . Some Trump opponents, like a few on sdmb (who I genuinely love) have egos of size of burj khalifa. These egos need a bit of denting. Shut the fuck up, you idiot troll. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=19)