# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/441 "2017-01-31T18:08:41Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Kudos for disobeying your President? And most legal experts agree that the President is acting quite legally and that the stay order by the federal judge won’t stand up to scrutiny. > > As for all the executive orders it’s reminiscent of a [recent incumbent.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/31/trump-is-making-full-use-of-obamas-pen-and-a-phone-precedent-how-far-will-he-take-it/) > > You live by the sword, you die by the sword. It’s funny that people who think Obama was the worst President ever and everything he did was wrong, are now using those same actions to defend the current President. Makes me laugh 😃 ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/442 "2017-01-31T18:50:03Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Kudos for disobeying your President? And most legal experts agree that the President is acting quite legally and that the stay order by the federal judge won’t stand up to scrutiny. Her oath of office is to support and defend the Constitution, it doesn’t say fuck all about the President. When someone believes the two are in conflict, their duty is to disobey. So, yes. Kudos for “disobeying your President” and not abandoning our Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/443 "2017-01-31T18:56:12Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Her oath of office is to support and defend the Constitution, it doesn’t say fuck all about the President. When someone believes the two are in conflict, their duty is to disobey. > So, yes. Kudos for “disobeying your President” and not abandoning our Constitution. I believe Trump is operating under the well established political philosophy, “L’etat c’est moi.” ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/444 "2017-01-31T18:57:45Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Kudos for disobeying your President? Yep. She followed her (and numerous federal judges) determination about that constitutionality of the legislation. And President Hissy Fit fired her for it, as he is able to do. I think it’s a much better system than having nothing but yes-people following every order they’re given without thinking. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/445 "2017-01-31T19:06:52Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Why, do you have a problem with what Sessions said? 😛 That’s silly. Every President issues Executive orders, just like every Congress passes laws. > > You might as well say that because I wear clothes, I shouldn’t have anything critical to say about the clothes anyone else wears. But every President doesn’t make a statement declaring his intentions to do so. Even the liberal newspaper I linked to, The Washington Post, questions whether Obama is to blame for Trump’s readiness to issue executive orders. In other words it’s not all in my fevered right-wing brain. In fact I hadn’t even thought of Obama until reading the article. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/446 "2017-01-31T19:12:04Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > As for all the executive orders it’s reminiscent of a [recent incumbent.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/31/trump-is-making-full-use-of-obamas-pen-and-a-phone-precedent-how-far-will-he-take-it/) > > You live by the sword, you die by the sword. If you’re going to play the hypocrisy card, you have to have fully supported Obama when he did it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/447 "2017-01-31T20:06:12Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson (D) sues to block Trump immigration ban](http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/316905-wa-attorney-general-sues-to-block-trump-immigration-ban). > [@SteveG1](#): > > I hope he is only the first of many. Per AP Radio News, the Attorneys General of Massachusetts and New York have now joined suit. As has the Mayor (IIRC) of San Francisco. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/448 "2017-01-31T20:14:37Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 😕 So if you were told that the aircraft you were about to board had a 91% chance of not crashing, you’d hop on board anyway? A one-in-ten chance of a bad outcome seems “safe” to you? This is a really poor analogy. “Safe” doesn’t have a set value, it depends on context. Safe for flying a plane is different than safe for winning an election is different than safe for eating food that’s been in the fridge two days too long is different than safe for trusting a movie critic. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/449 "2017-01-31T20:36:21Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > It’s funny that people who think Obama was the worst President ever and everything he did was wrong, are now using those same actions to defend the current President. Makes me laugh 😃 It makes me laugh too. In fact, I was raring up for all the yucks as soon as Election Day. If one did not realize that the Republicans were going to fluff Trump at every turn where they took a dump on Obama, then one knows nothing about American politics. Especially American Republicans. Fuck sakes, how many bullshit arguments did we hear about, “Who does Obama think he is with all these executive orders? Emperor or something?” Not a goddamned peep out of a single Republican when Trump starts scribbling EO’s like a four-year-old with place mat at TGI-Friday’s. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/450 "2017-01-31T20:39:33Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I believe Trump is operating under the well established political philosophy, “L’etat c’est moi.” Followed closely by _“après moi le déluge.”_ ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/451 "2017-01-31T20:42:38Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Kudos for disobeying your President? And most legal experts agree that the President is acting quite legally and that the stay order by the federal judge won’t stand up to scrutiny. > > As for all the executive orders it’s reminiscent of a [recent incumbent.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/31/trump-is-making-full-use-of-obamas-pen-and-a-phone-precedent-how-far-will-he-take-it/) > > You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Kudos for obeying the Constitution, which the so-called president also swore an oath to obey and uphold. I want a cite as to which “legal experts” you are talking about, and Nazi Steve Bannon doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/452 "2017-01-31T20:44:39Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I believe Trump is operating under the well established political philosophy, “L’etat c’est moi.” > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Followed closely by _“après moi le déluge.”_ What the merde are you guys talking about? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/453 "2017-01-31T20:46:42Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I was just listening to that clip, and I’ve got a slightly more complete transcription (video [here](http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/yates-in-2015-on-saying-no-an-unlawful-order-from-the-president-866420803503)): > > Oh, the irony! > > Of course, I’m sure that in Sessions’ mind, that standard should apply only to people serving in Democratic Administrations, but that when a Republican is President, subordinates should damn well fall in line like they’re supposed to. I want our spineless, worthless Congress to ask Sessions the exact same questions. But you did read and understand what was going on … It’s only OK to fight OBAMA and use the Constitution and law to do it. If it’s Trump, that’s ummm different. Then no laws, courts, or anything else matter. Heil Trump. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/454 "2017-01-31T20:48:11Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > What the merde are you guys talking about? I’ll tell you on Bastille day… ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/455 "2017-01-31T20:49:15Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > But every President doesn’t make a statement declaring his intentions to do so. Even the liberal newspaper I linked to, The Washington Post, questions whether Obama is to blame for Trump’s readiness to issue executive orders. In other words it’s not all in my fevered right-wing brain. In fact I hadn’t even thought of Obama until reading the article. Bullshit. it was coming sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/456 "2017-01-31T20:49:56Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I want a cite as to which “legal experts” you are talking about, and Nazi Steve Bannon doesn’t count. It’s right there in Yates’ statement. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel which decided that the Executive Order was “lawful on its face and properly drafted”. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/457 "2017-01-31T20:53:03Z")
This might be a relevant opinion piece: [Sen. Sessions reacts: We must stop Emperor Obama](http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/20/obama-immigration-amnesty-reform-executive-action-overreach-imperial-emperor-column/19293813/) I laughed! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/458 "2017-01-31T20:54:49Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Buckle up, cupcake, it’s bound to get worse. “Bound to”? You seem [uncertain](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/22/steve-bannon-trump-s-top-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html). ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/459 "2017-01-31T20:56:41Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Followed closely by _“après moi le déluge.”_ _Devant moi_, if the reports are true. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/460 "2017-01-31T21:00:52Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s right there in Yates’ statement. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel which decided that the Executive Order was “lawful on its face and properly drafted”. That piece of “learned bullshit” came only after Trump installed one of his stooges, Dana Boente. Try again. I’ll put my trust in the courts instead. P.S. You are now on my ignore list too. I won’t waste my time on you anymore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=24)