# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/521 "2017-02-01T17:00:41Z")
It’s just been pointed out to me that Obama banned refugees from Cuba, ending the “wet-foot, dry-foot” policy; I don’t recall anything being said here - not a peep. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/522 "2017-02-01T17:15:16Z")
Cubans could still apply for Visas, they were never banned or stopped. We just stopped letting them in wholesale when they showed up on our shores. Rather than being a outright restriction on their immigration, Cuban immigrants simply lost their special status. You are right that you probably didn’t hear much about it here. We tend not to cry to much when people lose extra privelges that others may not have. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/523 "2017-02-01T17:18:23Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s just been pointed out to me that Obama banned refugees from Cuba, ending the “wet-foot, dry-foot” policy; I don’t recall anything being said here - not a peep. True, Obama ended the “wet-foot, dry-foot” policy, but could you provide a cite that this bans refugees from Cuba? My Google-fu has been iffy this morning, so I’ve had to piece this together from multiple websites (I guess because the change of policy is so recent, and everybody’s been distracted by His Orangeness), but as best as I can tell, this just takes away one of the advantages that Cuban refugees had relative to other refugees. Now, just like refugees from any other country, they won’t be accepted as refugees just because they set a foot on U.S. soil. ETA: Ninja’d by **Mr. Miskatonic**. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/524 "2017-02-01T17:19:21Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > True, Obama ended the “wet-foot, dry-foot” policy, but could you provide a cite that this bans refugees from Cuba? > > My Google-fu has been iffy this morning, so I’ve had to piece this together from multiple websites (I guess because the change of policy is so recent, and everybody’s been distracted by His Orangeness), but as best as I can tell, this just takes away one of the advantages that Cuban refugees had relative to other refugees. Now, just like refugees from any other country, they won’t be accepted as refugees just because they set a foot on U.S. soil. > **[Is Trump's immigration ban similar to Obama's Cuba change?](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/jan/31/mario-diaz-balart/trumps-immigration-ban-comparable-obamas-cuba-rule/)** > > President Donald Trump’s executive order banning entry of people from seven countries prompted a wave of protests from i Cover it pretty well. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/525 "2017-02-01T17:25:50Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s just been pointed out to me that Obama banned refugees from Cuba, ending the “wet-foot, dry-foot” policy; I don’t recall anything being said here - not a peep. Just yesterday someone pointed out to me that the moon was only a few thousand years old. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/526 "2017-02-01T17:27:45Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s just been pointed out to me that Obama banned refugees from Cuba, ending the “wet-foot, dry-foot” policy; I don’t recall anything being said here - not a peep. It’s pretty recent (just a few weeks ago, IIRC) – if there’s no thread, than start one. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/527 "2017-02-01T17:32:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Or he could put the CTU on the case and have Jack Bauer pinpoint the location of the terrorists and take them out within 24 hours. I swear to God, this is exactly how Trump thinks - like a 7 year old. He seems to think that really, the president just has to give an order, and then it will be done, just like in the movies. If the president wants the bad guys captured, he just orders his generals to come with a plan. And if they can’t then the president calls in the X-men, or other secret sooper-heros, and the job is done. Trump seems to think that the ONLY REASON that Americans don’t have cheap, plentiful healthcare for all, or that all the bad terrorists are gone, or that inner cities are not bastions of peace is that previous presidents JUST DIDN’T WANT IT. Otherwise they would have just ordered it so. Trump is a small child who thinks that he’s living in a movie. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/528 "2017-02-01T18:07:43Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s just been pointed out to me that Obama banned refugees from Cuba, ending the “wet-foot, dry-foot” policy; I don’t recall anything being said here - not a peep. That’s because they haven’t been banned. “Dry foot” was a special status given to Cubans that other refugees such as Haitians didn’t have. The change in policy was in keeping with the new relationship between the US and Cuba. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/529 "2017-02-01T18:18:39Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s just been pointed out to me that Obama banned refugees from Cuba Just a little while ago, I got a phone call, and Rachel From Card Services pointed out to me that I could reduce my interest rate. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/530 "2017-02-01T18:21:24Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s just been pointed out to me that Obama banned refugees from Cuba, ending the “wet-foot, dry-foot” policy; I don’t recall anything being said here - not a peep. Is that person’s position that we should reinstate “wet foot/dry foot” for Cubans and all other refugees? Or is it that Cubans should have a different policy than every other country - and if so, why? If it’s the former, that’s an interesting idea and it is definitely a change in the conversation. But I doubt that’s what the person who pointed it out was thinking. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/531 "2017-02-01T18:29:34Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s just been pointed out to me that Obama banned refugees from Cuba, ending the “wet-foot, dry-foot” policy; I don’t recall anything being said here - not a peep. > [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Cubans could still apply for Visas, they were never banned or stopped. We just stopped letting them in wholesale when they showed up on our shores. > > Rather than being a outright restriction on their immigration, Cuban immigrants simply lost their special status. > > You are right that you probably didn’t hear much about it here. We tend not to cry to much when people lose extra privelges that others may not have. Yep, and as a Salvadoran American that is still waiting for 2 years for his wife to come to the USA (the legal way) I can tell you that I reacted to the news about the Cubans by saying: welcome to my world, pals! ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/532 "2017-02-01T18:37:00Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > [PolitiFact | Is Trump's immigration ban comparable to Obama's Cuba rule change?](http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/jan/31/mario-diaz-balart/trumps-immigration-ban-comparable-obamas-cuba-rule/) Good one, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/533 "2017-02-01T19:20:32Z")
Hey, it’s such a small price to pay for security — 75-year-old legal permanent resident of the U.S. dies after being barred from entering U.S. for medical treatment — [Detroit Man Says His Ill Mother, A Green Card Holder, Died Due To Travel Ban - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/detroit-family-mother-died-travel-iraq-trump-travel-ban) ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/534 "2017-02-01T20:41:30Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > … telling the Department of Homeland Security to “issue a rule saying that an immigrant can’t be admitted to the U.S. if he’s likely to get any benefit ‘determined in any way on the basis of income, resources, or financial need.’” And if they legally come into the U.S. and end up having to use public benefits, they can be deported. But it gets even worse—the person who sponsored them would be forced to reimburse the government for any funds they might have received. Isn’t that executive overreach? I don’t know if you even\* can\* make that regulation (or two regulations, I guess) within either statute or constitutional law. It sounds absurd. All it would do is force the government to remove two (or four) regulations under Trump’s ridiculous “lose two to add one” rule. And that’s probably the real point. Make a rule, remove two (or four); get it shut down by courts; complain about courts; make a new rule (or three), remove two (or six); complain about the lack of good rules in particular (which you are exacerbating), and at the same time the (ostensible) excess of rules (or “job-killing regulations”); blame the courts for making you write and rewrite so many rules (in fights you started). Reaganism on acid. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/535 "2017-02-01T20:51:44Z")
[The “Party Of Life”](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/trumps-refugee-ban-is-a-matter-of-life-and-death-for-some-like-a-1-year-old-with-cancer/2017/01/30/4c8e4aae-e711-11e6-903d-9b11ed7d8d2a_story.html), ladies and gentlemen… > [@](#): > > They were deemed the most vulnerable cases: refugees suffering from medical conditions so severe that normally their journeys to the United States would be expedited. > > One is a 9-year-old Somali child in Ethiopia with a congenital heart disease that cannot be treated in a refugee camp. Another is a 1-year-old Sudanese boy with cancer. A third is a Somali boy with a severe intestinal disorder living in a camp that doesn’t even have the colostomy bags he needs. > > After President Trump’s executive order last week, their resettlement in America was put on hold. Now, the organization responsible for processing refugees in sub-Saharan Africa, Church World Service, says that order could be their death sentence… ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/536 "2017-02-01T20:59:11Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > A thought for you all: > > Suppose the intelligence services told Trump that there was a specific imminent terrorist threat by X, Y, and Z. However, to ban them specifically would tip them off to America’s sources of information or get them to engage other actors in their stead or both. Fortunately, there’s a previous Executive Order - signed by Obama, even - which could be extended and give the US time to zap the terrorists. > > Hmm… I’m sure this argument is profoundly ignorant, but I’m having trouble finding the words to explain why. It’s a dizzyingly puerile bit of sophistry. I had to step back from it a bit. If the administration thought that were the case, the travel ban would be a sledgehammer against a mosquito. You tear up the pavement, and the insect flies away. And this specific threat (which doesn’t exist, and was not the cause, per Rudy’s claims and Trump’s campaign promises) justified Trump’s behavior how? He banned _Iranian-Americans._ How many Iranian-Americans are in ISIS or al Qaeda? There was no operational reason to name these seven countries together if it were forestalling a specific threat. Iran is less likely to be an alternate vector of an unknown ISIS agent than is Turkey or Jordan,. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Or he could put the CTU on the case and have Jack Bauer pinpoint the location of the terrorists and take them out within 24 hours. Well, more to the point, the State Department has a lot of tools. But apparently somebody told the new cabal that Jack Bauer is a Canadian socialist. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/537 "2017-02-01T21:05:00Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s just been pointed out to me that Obama banned refugees from Cuba, ending the “wet-foot, dry-foot” policy; I don’t recall anything being said here - not a peep. > [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Cubans could still apply for Visas, they were never banned or stopped. We just stopped letting them in wholesale when they showed up on our shores. I suspect that was part of “normalizing relations” with Havana. There’s not a corollary to that in Trump’s [del]MUSLIM [/del]TRAVEL BAN. If anything, Trump seems likely to add embargoes, not drop them. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/538 "2017-02-01T21:42:07Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I suspect that was part of “normalizing relations” with Havana. There’s not a corollary to that in Trump’s [del]MUSLIM [/del]TRAVEL BAN. If anything, Trump seems likely to add embargoes, not drop them. And that’s precisely why nothing was said here. It was a perfectly reasonable thing to do in light of our new relationship with Cuba. You got a problem with that? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/539 "2017-02-01T22:45:52Z")
Thank God that Dear Leader Trump is protecting everyone from[terrorist 11 month old babies.](http://www.dallasnews.com/news/donald-trump-1/2017/01/29/inside-legal-war-room-behind) One never knows what they’re up to. Good think this potential terrorist was separated from his mother and held in custody, otherwise he might have killed us all. > [@](#): > > The names of detainees were written on a whiteboard. Among them: An 11-month-old girl named Jude who was born in this country, whose mother the attorneys were told they couldn’t talk to. > > “She’s a U.S. citizen,” said Angela Hunt, a former Dallas City Council member. “A [expletive] U.S. citizen.” No, I won’t be travelling in or through the United States in the near future. You have a megalomaniac president enacting knee-jerk orders without giving them any thought, in conjunction with brain-dead enforcement officers who seem to follow orders like automatons. It’s just far too uncertain and dangerous a place to travel at the moment. I’ll put it on a list of places to avoid out of safety concerns, next to North Korea and Somalia. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/540 "2017-02-01T23:44:33Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > And it looks like the ‘inconvenience’ resulting from the Muslim ban [may include one fatality](http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/232856168-story): > Per the rest of the story, he was bringing her home for medical treatment. She didn’t get there, so didn’t get treated, and died the next day. > > Inconvenience! Turns out the guy was lying - his mother died on January 22, five days before the ban went into effect. As Atrios said, “There are enough horrible consequences of Trump without making things up.” Indeed. The truth more than suffices. This crap is not helpful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=28)