# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/541 "2017-02-01T23:50:16Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It’s just far too uncertain and dangerous a place to travel at the moment. I’ll put it on a list of places to avoid out of safety concerns, next to North Korea and Somalia. I expect to see more countries issuing travel advisories for the US to their citizens soon. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/542 "2017-02-02T00:11:11Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > … I won’t be travelling in or through the United States in the near future… And that will help you how? Prepare to see SaDon attempt to export misery to the rest of the world (at least, the part that irks him), under the _aegis_ of H. Bush’s decades-old “New World Order” (the text of which reads “_Nice World you have there. It’d be a shame if anything happened to it_”). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/543 "2017-02-02T00:13:10Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Hey, it’s such a small price to pay for security — 75-year-old legal permanent resident of the U.S. dies after being barred from entering U.S. for medical treatment — [Detroit Man Says His Ill Mother, A Green Card Holder, Died Due To Travel Ban - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/detroit-family-mother-died-travel-iraq-trump-travel-ban) And that one “inconvenience” made us all safe. Uh huh. :smack: Edit: Never mind, I showed up late. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/544 "2017-02-02T01:39:35Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > And that’s precisely why nothing was said here. It was a perfectly reasonable thing to do in light of our new relationship with Cuba. You got a problem with that? Me? No, I don’t. I understand that some people hold a grudge against Cuba, but I don’t. In hindsight I didn’t need the quotation marks. Too much like scare quotes. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/545 "2017-02-02T01:56:27Z")
Good for (some peoples) business: > **[Should travellers boycott the US over Trump's policies?](https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2017/feb/01/should-travellers-boycott-the-us-trump-america)** > > Holidaymakers are already turning their backs on America – as travel organisations and tour operators condemn Trump’s ban. Are you reconsidering your travel plans? > [@](#): > > the web-based flight booking service Cheapflights has seen UK-based searches for US flights drop by 25%, with much of that decline coming after the [latest travel ban furore](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/trumps-travel-ban). According to some reports, [travellers are cancelling US trips](https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/agent-slams-trump-after-losing-20k-booking-8926). and > [@](#): > > One irony of the current crisis, deduced from Cheapflight’s figures, is that internet searches for flights to Mexico are up. The company’s managing director, Andrew Shelton, puts it bluntly: “Tourism chiefs in the US will need to act to prevent this trickle away from a perennial favourite becoming a flood.” ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/546 "2017-02-02T11:31:33Z")
US Effect? Pakistan Puts Lashkar Chief Hafiz Saeed Under House Arrest > [@](#): > > Highlights > > There are speculations that Pakistan took action after US pressure > US hasn’t ruled out including Pakistan in list of ‘travel ban’ nations > Hafiz Saeed was involved in the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks > > Lahore: Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafiz Saeed has been detained and put under house arrest for six months by Pakistani authorities. There are speculations that the crackdown came after the US threatened sanctions against Pakistan unless action was taken against Jamaat-ud-Dawa, which is also headed by Hafiz Saeed. For years, Hafiz Saeed has been running free in Pakistan despite India presenting proof of his involvement in the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, in which 166 people were killed. > > The house arrest came after a directive from Pakistan’s Ministry of Interior dated January 27, ordering action against Falah-E-Insaniyat Foundation and Jamaat-ud-Dawa. > > He is currently in detention at the Jamia-al-Qadsia in Lahore’s Chauburji area, from where he will be shifted to his house in Faisal Town, sources said. Four others are in detention along with him – Abdullah Ubaid, Zafar Iqbal, Abdur Rehman Abid and Qazi Kashif Niaz. > > The threat of sanctions came days before the Donald Trump administration took over, reported Pakistan daily The News International. The JuD was declared a terrorist organisation by the US in 2014. But Pakistan’s stance on him was a source of friction between the two nations. > > Mr Trump won the elections in November following his promises to “Buy American and Hire American” and tough action on Islamic terror. While his travel ban on seven Muslim majority nations - Syria, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Yemen and Libya – has met with global outrage, the Trump administration has not ruled out including Pakistan in the list in future. > > Mr Trump has clarified this was “not a Muslim ban”. “This is not about religion – this is about terror and keeping our country safe,” he has said, pointing out that more than 40 Muslim nations are not affected by the order. > > Pointing out that the seven nations were identified by the US Congress and the Obama Administration as being “most identifiable with dangerous terrorism,” White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, in an interview to CBS News, had added, “Now you can point to other countries that have similar problems, like Pakistan and others. Perhaps, we need to take it further”. > **[US Effect? Pakistan Puts Lashkar Chief Hafiz Saeed Under House Arrest](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/lashkar-e-taiba-chief-hafiz-saeed-under-house-arrest-in-lahore-1654302)** > > Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafiz Saeed has been detained and put under house arrest for six months by Pakistani authorities. There are speculations that the crackdown came after the US threatened sanctions against Pakistan unless action was taken against... ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/547 "2017-02-02T15:28:47Z")
It’s o.k. to refer to what he is doing as a “ban”, because Trump tweeted so(size and bolding his): > [@Idiot In Chief](#): > > Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Feb 1 > > **Everybody is arguing whether or not it is a BAN. Call it what you want, it is about keeping bad people (with bad intentions) out of country!** ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/548 "2017-02-02T23:30:35Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > A group of bipartisan former federal prosecutors have said that Yates did the right thing: > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/politics/sally-yates-firing-prosecutors-letter/](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/politics/sally-yates-firing-prosecutors-letter/) The only good thing thus far about this ban is that I know one of the lawyers that’s been taking on cases _pro bono_. [Dan Canon](http://www.dancanonlaw.com/) is an attorney that handles some ACLU cases. He was one of the attorneys involved in the Kim Davis/“same-sex marriage” kerfuffle. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/549 "2017-02-03T00:26:45Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > And that will help you how? Prepare to see SaDon attempt to export misery to the rest of the world (at least, the part that irks him), under the _aegis_ of H. Bush’s decades-old “New World Order” (the text of which reads “_Nice World you have there. It’d be a shame if anything happened to it_”). Well, it won’t help my economy when the Trumpster takes the world into the toilet. But it will help me personally, so I don’t have to be worried about being rounded up and jailed if, by chance, some Canadian premier insults Trump by asking for the deceased beaver on top of his head back. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/550 "2017-02-03T00:27:53Z")
[quote=“Czarcasm, post:547, topic:778468”] It’s o.k. to refer to what he is doing as a “ban”, because Trump tweeted so(size and bolding his): > [@Idiot In Chief](#): > > Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Feb 1 > > **Everybody is arguing whether or not it is a BAN. Call it what you want, it is about keeping bad people (with bad intentions) out of country!** Like that 11 month old baby. The Donald is probably very scared of this bad baby. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/551 "2017-02-03T19:07:43Z")
[quote=“Euphonious\_Polemic, post:550, topic:778468”] > [@Czarcasm](#): > > It’s o.k. to refer to what he is doing as a “ban”, because Trump tweeted so(size and bolding his): > Like that 11 month old baby. The Donald is probably very scared of this bad baby. Not to mention this trouble-making 4-month-old: > **[Gov. Cuomo blasts Trump travel ban for delaying 4-month-old Iranian girl’s...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2017/02/03/gov-cuomo-blasts-trump-travel-ban-for-delaying-4-month-old-iranian-girls-heart-surgery/)** > > A 4-month-old Iranian girl blocked from getting much-needed heart surgery due to President Trump’s immigration ban has some high-profile advocates fighting on her behalf. Gov. Cuomo, who has … ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/552 "2017-02-03T20:11:22Z")
Well around this Dopers household we don’t talk about it because , I think it’s a redictulas and un American thing to do. Mr. Eenerms , a Health Inspector, brings up San Beridino attack, and that he worked in Libya when Isis took over. So we just don’t talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/553 "2017-02-03T20:16:05Z")
Well, if you don’t like this executive order, maybe you should [write your own](https://hepwori.github.io/execorder/). ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/554 "2017-02-03T20:45:19Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Well, if you don’t like this executive order, maybe you should [write your own](https://hepwori.github.io/execorder/). [The time has come…](http://oi66.tinypic.com/2mey1bq.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/555 "2017-02-03T22:08:58Z")
Louvre machete man has been identified as an Egyptian national visiting on a UAE visa, neither of which are covered by the travel ban. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/556 "2017-02-03T22:17:08Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Louvre machete man has been identified as an Egyptian national visiting on a UAE visa, neither of which are covered by the travel ban. Yeah, but you do know the very large number of attacks in the US by people with visas or who have immigrated here from countries on our wonderful list is, right?? It’s as massive of a number as those killed each year by NUCLEAR POWER EACH YEAR!!! :eek::eek::eek: (Yeah, it’s zero) ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/557 "2017-02-04T01:05:20Z")
At least Trump stopped [this bad hombre](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/former-norway-pm-bondevik-held-washington-dulles-airport-2014-visit-iran). ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/558 "2017-02-04T01:13:42Z")
> [@Battle\_Pope](#): > > At least Trump stopped [this bad hombre](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/former-norway-pm-bondevik-held-washington-dulles-airport-2014-visit-iran). The Norwegians were the very first to invade our American continent. (L’Anse Aux Meadows, 1059 AD). We will NOT let it happen again! Not on Trump’s watch, no siree! ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/559 "2017-02-04T03:58:32Z")
Trump must be on the verge of an epic table-flip about now: > **[White House vows to overturn travel ban court block as visas reinstated – as...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/feb/04/trump-travel-ban-white-house-vows-to-overturn-outrageous-court-live)** > > A ruling by a federal judge in Washington state has thrown the legitimacy of the ban into question as US customs tell airlines to start allowing people back into the country. Follow all the developments here ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/560 "2017-02-04T04:08:54Z")
The best part is that the ruling is by a George W Bush appointee, so they can’t characterize it as a ruling by some liberal activist Obama-appointed judge. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=29)