# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/561 "2017-02-04T04:41:29Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > The best part is that the ruling is by a George W Bush appointee, so they can’t characterize it as a ruling by some liberal activist Obama-appointed judge. Who’s they? I can certainly characterize the judge as an activist lunatic judge and BLM supporter. He looks like a leftist too. They’re usually fairly easy to spot just by their appearance. The delusional judge’s stunt that he pulled will soon be history and that will happen very soon, at the earliest possible time. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/562 "2017-02-04T04:44:46Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Who’s they? > > I can certainly characterize the judge as an activist lunatic judge and BLM supporter. > > He looks like a leftist too. They’re usually fairly easy to spot just by their appearance. > > The delusional judge’s stunt that he pulled will soon be history and that will happen very soon, at the earliest possible time. You’re an idiot. The judge was a Bush appointee. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/563 "2017-02-04T04:46:59Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The judge was a Bush appointee. Yes, I know, and that changes nothing in what I wrote. An activist, lunatic BLM supporter judge whose pathetic and anti-American ruling will soon be overruled. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/564 "2017-02-04T04:51:43Z")
Blinky knows less about government and logic than Trump does. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/565 "2017-02-04T04:52:37Z")
For the sake of morbid curiosity, what do you think Black Lives Matter has to do with any of this? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/566 "2017-02-04T04:54:23Z")
Fuck off Blinky… ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/567 "2017-02-04T04:56:27Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Who’s they? > > I can certainly characterize the judge as an activist lunatic judge and BLM supporter. > > He looks like a leftist too. They’re usually fairly easy to spot just by their appearance. Okay, I don’t think I’ve ever called TROLL before, but this? C’mon mods, put Blinky out of our misery…he’s not even trying now. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/568 "2017-02-04T04:57:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > For the sake of morbid curiosity, what do you think Black Lives Matter has to do with any of this? BLM supporter is the same as being a KKK supporter, they’re the same kind of people. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/569 "2017-02-04T05:45:58Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > BLM supporter is the same as being a KKK supporter, they’re the same kind of people. Wow. This is seriously some amazingly bigoted nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/570 "2017-02-04T05:55:02Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Wow. This is seriously some amazingly bigoted nonsense. Not at all. They both represent bigoted, supremacist movements that employ intimidation, violence and murder to further their goals. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/571 "2017-02-04T08:37:19Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The judge was a Bush appointee. They think Bush was a big government liberal. Remember, he said Islam was a religion of peace. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/572 "2017-02-04T12:33:27Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Not at all. They both represent bigoted, supremacist movements that employ intimidation, violence and murder to further their goals. I see Tea Party propaganda works on you very well. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/573 "2017-02-04T14:28:33Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > They think Bush was a big government liberal. Remember, he said Islam was a religion of peace. It is. A few hundred thousand out of 1.6 billion shouldn’t sully a religion. Are you willing to tag Christianity as a religion of terror by the same criteria? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/574 "2017-02-04T17:06:35Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > C’mon mods, put Blinky out of our misery…he’s not even trying now. In the meantime, there’s always Ignore. I try to use it sparingly, but…yeah, maybe it’s time to disappear this content-free barfing in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/575 "2017-02-04T17:29:43Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Yes, I know, and that changes nothing in what I wrote. > > An activist, lunatic BLM supporter judge whose pathetic and anti-American ruling will soon be overruled. Imagine that. An activities, lunatic judge quashing a bigoted pricks misdeeds. Do you have any idea how hard the world is laughing at the US now? Our enemies have ordered 10,000 lawn chairs and a million pounds of juffy-pop, and they’re cancelled regularly scheduled propaganda broadcasts in favor of actual footage of the Buffoon-In\_Chief. And yes, I think this is Humpy’s sock. Same level of stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/576 "2017-02-04T17:37:34Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Do you have any idea how hard the world is laughing at the US now? Our enemies have ordered 10,000 lawn chairs and a million pounds of juffy-pop, and they’re cancelled regularly scheduled propaganda broadcasts in favor of actual footage of the Buffoon-In\_Chief. Check out the covers [of these recent magazines](http://www.cbc.ca/news/photos/trump-magazine-covers-1.3966101). I have never seen anything remotely like this before, and these are mass-circulation mainstream publications. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/577 "2017-02-04T17:45:22Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It is. A few hundred thousand out of 1.6 billion shouldn’t sully a religion. Are you willing to tag Christianity as a religion of terror by the same criteria? I think you’re being wooshed. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/578 "2017-02-04T17:49:24Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Check out the covers [of these recent magazines](http://www.cbc.ca/news/photos/trump-magazine-covers-1.3966101). I have never seen anything remotely like this before, and these are mass-circulation mainstream publications. But, hey, have you seen the Dow lately? All is well! ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/579 "2017-02-04T17:59:56Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > The best part is that the ruling is by a George W Bush appointee, so they can’t characterize it as a ruling by some liberal activist Obama-appointed judge. I’m not a fan of Trump’s executive order, but to be honest it is judicial activism, regardless of who appointed Judge Robarts. Unless there’s some portion of the immigration law I’ve never seen brought up before, under our constitution people who are not citizens or permanent residents and have not entered the country don’t have constitutional protections. For example a British dude wanting to visit America has no “constitutional right” to do so. The Constitution leaves it up to Congress to regulate who can come and go at our borders. Under those laws, the British dude is allowed visa free travel, but someone from a country like Iran generally is not. They require a visa, the law on visas specifically says that high State Department officials (who take orders from the President) can more or less at their discretion choose to revoke visas. So whatever your opinion on its policy implications (and again, I disagree with the EO), given the law and past precedent by Obama and Bush this order “doesn’t sit right” with me. Judges shouldn’t be changing the law just because Trump is a bad guy. Our system requires Congress to be the one to set the rules here, and they have. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/580 "2017-02-04T18:06:37Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I’m not a fan of Trump’s executive order, but to be honest it is judicial activism, regardless of who appointed Judge Robarts. Unless there’s some portion of the immigration law I’ve never seen brought up before, under our constitution people who are not citizens or permanent residents and have not entered the country don’t have constitutional protections. For example a British dude wanting to visit America has no “constitutional right” to do so. > > The Constitution leaves it up to Congress to regulate who can come and go at our borders. Under those laws, the British dude is allowed visa free travel, but someone from a country like Iran generally is not. They require a visa, the law on visas specifically says that high State Department officials (who take orders from the President) can more or less at their discretion choose to revoke visas. So whatever your opinion on its policy implications (and again, I disagree with the EO), given the law and past precedent by Obama and Bush this order “doesn’t sit right” with me. Judges shouldn’t be changing the law just because Trump is a bad guy. Our system requires Congress to be the one to set the rules here, and they have. If you look at the judicial order, though, I think it’s not really attacking the entire law, but more how it was implemented. For example, revoking visas that people already had and who were mid-flight to the US. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=30)