# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/641 "2017-02-05T23:07:53Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Some self-proclaimed liberals here are the real pitiable closed-minded intolerant ones. Who, specifically? Name a few names, so we can determine whether your opinion is worth paying any attention to. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/642 "2017-02-05T23:12:59Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Who, specifically? Name a few names, so we can determine whether your opinion is worth paying any attention to. Generally speaking, it applies to the majority, and I don’t just mean on this particular site. I remember when I posted my Trump predictions here more than a year ago, and I remember the sorts of replies that it got. I have never seen a group of so close minded, ignorant, stubborn, rude, arrogant and dead wrong people before. It is pure comedy gold. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/643 "2017-02-05T23:16:34Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Some self-proclaimed liberals here are the real pitiable closed-minded intolerant ones. What is the purpose of the “self-proclaimed” modifier? Do you think it’s somehow an insult (it’s not)? Do you think big words make you sound smarter (they don’t)? Are you using it simply because you’ve seen it used elsewhere? ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/644 "2017-02-06T00:34:50Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > What is the purpose of the “self-proclaimed” modifier? Do you think it’s somehow an insult (it’s not)? Do you think big words make you sound smarter (they don’t)? Are you using it simply because you’ve seen it used elsewhere? In India (where I am at and I haven’t ever been to USA), we have people who call themselves secular but some of these actually are just dishonest, selfish, Islam-appeasing pseudo-seculars. These people are the real threat to true secularism. I think a true liberal may disagree with Mr. Trump but would never act in dishonest, angry, desperate ways like some of my beloved fellow dopers act. EL\_KABONG, you are not like the ones I am talking about. You are cool. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/645 "2017-02-06T00:54:27Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > In India (where I am at and I haven’t ever been to USA), we have people who call themselves secular but some of these actually are just dishonest, selfish, Islam-appeasing pseudo-seculars. These people are the real threat to true secularism. > > I think a true liberal may disagree with Mr. Trump but **would never act in dishonest, angry, desperate ways like some of my beloved fellow dopers act.** > > EL\_KABONG, you are not like the ones I am talking about. You are cool. Cites please. What dishonest, angry, desperate ways exactly? Especially the dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/646 "2017-02-06T01:00:08Z")
> **[Chuck Todd embarrassed Vice President Mike Pence with his own words](https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/5/1630268/-Chuck-Todd-embarrassed-Vice-President-Mike-Pence-with-his-own-words)** > > Recently Chuck Todd has been doing his job in reducing the spin by pointing out unadulterated facts when Republicans enter their lying mode. He used Mike Pence's words against him. What is amazing is Pence's inability to break the narrative. > > ... > [@](#): > > … He used Mike Pence’s words against him. What is amazing is Pence’s inability to break the narrative. > > When Chuck Todd used Mike Pence’s words against him, he displayed an embarrassed smile but amazingly expectedly to form after a few seconds. > > … > > “Well look, the President of the United States has every right to criticize the other two branches of government,” Mike Pence said. “We have a long tradition of that in this country.” > > Todd asked if that is the best way to do it. Pence said the American people find it refreshing. > Mike Pence exposed > > “On this issue of criticism,” Chuck Todd continued. "I found something you said about President Obama seven years ago. Take a listen. > > “This president has shown an unusual interest in commenting on his critics in the media and here on Capitol Hill,” Pence said about Obama in the clip Todd played. “The American people don’t want to hear the President’s reflections and commentary on criticisms.” So he’s full of shit. Surprise surprise. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/647 "2017-02-06T01:36:40Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > The introduction of Madonna into the argument is momentarily confusing me. It’s because she warned us, back in 1986: _A man can tell a thousand lies I’ve learned my lesson well Hope I live to tell the secret I have learned 'Til then, it will burn inside of me_ [“Live to Tell,”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_to_Tell) lyrics by Madonna Ciccone ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/648 "2017-02-06T03:01:43Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > But Trump’s tantrums, theatrics, and hate-spewing are A-OK with you. > > Gotcha. Yup, yup. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/649 "2017-02-06T05:14:33Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > In India (where I am at and I haven’t ever been to USA), we have people who call themselves secular but some of these actually are just dishonest, selfish, Islam-appeasing pseudo-seculars. These people are the real threat to true secularism. > > I think a true liberal may disagree with Mr. Trump but would never act in dishonest, angry, desperate ways like some of my beloved fellow dopers act. > > EL\_KABONG, you are not like the ones I am talking about. You are cool. Sorry, I don’t really care whether you think I’m cool or not. You have made a vague accusation that allows you to denigrate the members of this board in general, without ever getting pinned down with specifics. Again, kindly name a few names (and preferably specific posts that support your argument), so we can see what you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/650 "2017-02-06T06:02:50Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Sorry, I don’t really care whether you think I’m cool or not. You have made a vague accusation that allows you to denigrate the members of this board in general, without ever getting pinned down with specifics. Again, kindly name a few names (and preferably specific posts that support your argument), so we can see what you are talking about. You can just forget it if you have to ask for ‘specific posts’ after have been even a occasional reader of this Board. Instead of labelling Mr. Trump or Yours truly (someone who doesn’t blindly oppose Trump on everything) as a bigot or racist, people should actually start accepting the fact that Islam is a poison, different from any other religion, all of which have reformed and are largely compatible with each other in 21st century world. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/651 "2017-02-06T06:16:48Z")
Oh Joy! I’m going to have to post this is a few threads. [Check this out](http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/create-your-own-trump-signed-executive-order-with-online-generator-1.13066643). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/652 "2017-02-06T06:50:09Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Sorry, I don’t really care whether you think I’m cool or not. You have made a vague accusation that allows you to denigrate the members of this board in general, without ever getting pinned down with specifics. Again, kindly name a few names (and preferably specific posts that support your argument), so we can see what you are talking about. You don’t really expect honesty given the years ts2 has been trolling this board with his bigoted nonsense, do you? > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > You can just forget it if you have to ask for ‘specific posts’ after have been even a occasional reader of this Board. > > Instead of labelling Mr. Trump or Yours truly (someone who doesn’t blindly oppose Trump on everything) as a bigot or racist, people should actually start accepting the fact that Islam is a poison, different from any other religion, all of which have reformed and are largely compatible with each other in 21st century world. And there you go. Yet another example of a wild- ass bigoted claim against an entire faith group, substantiated only by a lie. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/653 "2017-02-06T13:23:48Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > You can just forget it if you have to ask for ‘specific posts’ after have been even a occasional reader of this Board. > > Instead of labelling Mr. Trump or Yours truly (someone who doesn’t blindly oppose Trump on everything) as a bigot or racist, people should actually start accepting the fact that Islam is a poison, different from any other religion, all of which have reformed and are largely compatible with each other in 21st century world. Ah, but I do have to ask, as so far it is apparent to all that after several requests, you are unable to name a single poster who acts in the "dishonest, angry, desperate ways " you claim. Enjoy your continued irrelevance. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/654 "2017-02-06T14:05:15Z")
Oh wonderful our bigotted eradicationst is back to repeat mindlessly his hateful bigotry Since he is also [a denialist liar,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18361520#post18361520) no need to pay attention ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/655 "2017-02-06T14:18:06Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > You can just forget it if you have to ask for ‘specific posts’ after have been even a occasional reader of this Board. > > Instead of labelling Mr. Trump or Yours truly (someone who doesn’t blindly oppose Trump on everything) as a bigot or racist, people should actually start accepting the fact that Islam is a poison, different from any other religion, all of which have reformed and are largely compatible with each other in 21st century world. This bigoted crap completely fails to sway most people who have actually personally interacted with Muslims, most of whom (just like most members of any religion) are fundamentally decent and courteous and have no wish to harm anyone. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/656 "2017-02-06T14:33:12Z")
Leaving aside the Constitutional issues for the moment - and there are some, complicated by the court’s ass-kissing of religion in the Hobby Lobby decision, according to an article I read today… … The law that gives the President his authority to control immigration specifically bars him from doing so on the basis of national origin, doesn’t it? > **[Opinion | Trump’s Immigration Ban Is Illegal (Published 2017)](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegal.html)** > > Congress long ago outlawed discrimination based on national origin. "The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin, replacing the old prejudicial system and giving each country an equal shot at the quotas. In signing the new law, President Lyndon B. Johnson said that “the harsh injustice” of the national-origins quota system had been “abolished.” Nonetheless, Mr. Trump asserts that he still has the power to discriminate, pointing to a 1952 law that allows the president the ability to “suspend the entry” of “any class of aliens” that he finds are detrimental to the interest of the United States. But the president ignores the fact that Congress then restricted this power in 1965, stating plainly that no person could be “discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth or place of residence.” The only exceptions are those provided for by Congress (such as the preference for Cuban asylum seekers)." I’m no lawyer, but that seems pretty plain… ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/657 "2017-02-06T14:39:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This bigoted crap completely fails to sway most people who have actually personally interacted with Muslims, most of whom (just like most members of any religion) are fundamentally decent and courteous and have no wish to harm anyone. You think I haven’t interacted? 15% of Indians are Muslims, means 1 in every 6.67 people. Separate Muslims as individuals from Islam as ideology. Don’t be confused. Islam is poison which causes bloodshed, division, backwardness in the society… It’s not Muslims’ fault that they are born into Islam, rather they are trapped in it…Islamic extremists/fundamentalists/terrorists, who vastly outnumber such people in other religions (there is just no comparison), will not be such backward extremists if they were not born into Islam. I am called a bigot in every post but the fact is, I am one of the most open-minded respecting individuals. People here know it and yet will be dishonest and call me bigot racist etc ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/658 "2017-02-06T14:43:01Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > You think I haven’t interacted? 15% of Indians are Muslims, means 1 in every 6.67 people. Separate Muslims as individuals from Islam as ideology. Don’t be confused. > > Islam is poison which causes bloodshed, division, backwardness in the society… It’s not Muslims’ fault that they are born into Islam, rather they are trapped in it…Islamic extremists/fundamentalists/terrorists, who vastly outnumber such people in other religions (there is just no comparison), will not be such backward extremists if they were not born into Islam. > > I am called a bigot in every post but the fact is, I am one of the most open-minded respecting individuals. People here know it and yet will be dishonest and call me bigot racist etc You are called a bigot because you say bigoted things. If you don’t want to be called a bigot, don’t say or do bigoted things. Slandering nearly 2 billion people for the actions of a minute fraction is a bigoted thing to do and say. That you know a lot of Muslims and are still bigoted reflects poorly, not well, on you. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/659 "2017-02-06T14:48:22Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Islamic extremists/fundamentalists/terrorists, who vastly outnumber such people in other religions Nonsense. If that were the case, Falwell, Robertson, etc, would be reduced to running three-card monte games one step ahead of the bunko squad instead of becoming multimillionaires catering to the extremist/fundamentalist/etc Christian community. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/660 "2017-02-06T15:14:46Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > You think I haven’t interacted? 15% of Indians are Muslims, means 1 in every 6.67 people. Separate Muslims as individuals from Islam as ideology. Don’t be confused. > > Islam is poison which causes bloodshed, division, backwardness in the society… It’s not Muslims’ fault that they are born into Islam, rather they are trapped in it…Islamic extremists/fundamentalists/terrorists, who vastly outnumber such people in other religions (there is just no comparison), will not be such backward extremists if they were not born into Islam. > > I am called a bigot in every post but the fact is, I am one of the most open-minded respecting individuals. People here know it and yet will be dishonest and call me bigot racist etc If what you believe were true, you would already have been killed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=34)