# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/681 "2017-02-07T07:32:44Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Sorry, your posts reveal you to be a bigot and a racist. Go the fuck away, you shithead. A collection of superstitions is not a race. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/682 "2017-02-07T07:45:24Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Pence is a dishonest, hypocritical shithead, whose only core philosophies are: > > It’s OK If A Republican Does It > **I’m Superior to Everyone Else** > Only My Rights Are Important > **Give Me More Money** Dunno what the problem is supposed to be. I subscribe to **one of those** , myself. **Sometimes two, in fact…** ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/683 "2017-02-07T09:41:52Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I’m attempting to meet our angry subcontinental friend halfway instead of insulting and blocking him. > [1 Cor. 9:22](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%209:19-23) 😉 There is no reason to be angry or feel insulted here for me. Please try to tell a few others over here that they do not have to be in a pitiable state of being and pls also tell them that I love them and will always love them. cheers ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/684 "2017-02-07T09:57:10Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > That said, I think it’s fair to say that unless you grew up in a really intensely religious family, most people from Muslim ethnicities aren’t “drowning in Islamism.” They’re just people. Some of them hate Jews the way **truthSeeker2** hates Muslims, but they’re just people. I love and respect Muslims. Don’t be confused. Islam is a poison. You should love and respect everyone including Muslims at the level of an individual. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/685 "2017-02-07T11:43:58Z")
Truthseeker, perhaps you’ll get more fruitful engagement from many Dopers if you emphasize the “_religion_ is superstitious, dangerous nonsense” angle rather than _Islam_ per se. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/686 "2017-02-07T12:06:58Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Truthseeker, perhaps you’ll get more fruitful engagement from many Dopers if you emphasize the “_religion_ is superstitious, dangerous nonsense” angle rather than _Islam_ per se. No. I mean Islam is the poison. Rest all religions have reformed, are largely peaceful n compatible with each other today. I never tell a Muslim to his/her face but internet is a beautiful thing. Here, one can write the truth, what the vast majority of non-Muslims think about Islam. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/687 "2017-02-07T12:39:20Z")
He is a pure hate mongerer. Purely. He makes excuses and denies Hindu supramecist violence against the christians, against the muslims, against others in general, and repeats his blind bigotted hatred like a robot. For the liberal left secularists to make a common cause with such it is a discredit ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/688 "2017-02-07T12:43:00Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > I love and respect Muslims. Don’t be confused. Islam is a poison. You should love and respect everyone including Muslims at the level of an individual. Is that like “I don’t hate gays-I hate their _lifestyle_”? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/689 "2017-02-07T13:19:14Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > No. I mean Islam is the poison. Rest all religions have reformed, are largely peaceful n compatible with each other today. > > I never tell a Muslim to his/her face but internet is a beautiful thing. Here, one can write the truth, what the vast majority of non-Muslims think about Islam. If there’s a “truth” that you would never tell to anyone belonging to a massive group of humanity, then perhaps it’s not really a “truth”. Perhaps it’s just old-fashioned bigotry. There’s nothing special about Islam or the Koran. It’s just another religion, and just another holy book. Just like any holy book, it can be interpreted in multiple ways. And just like any holy book, some violent assholes are using it to justify their assholish ways – at the same time that plenty of decent, charitable, and caring people are using it to justify their caring and charitable behavior. The relative number of the violent assholes doesn’t tell us anything at all about the nature of the religion – it’s easy to find points in history in which there were far more violent-asshole Christians than Muslims. If it’s the reverse at this moment, that’s due to various geo-political and historical factors, not the nature of any particular religion. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/690 "2017-02-07T14:00:16Z")
^Disagree. But I am an optimist, I am thinking how the future could be like? For example, in the day and age of smartphone, internet and literacy (literacy rate at 13 years for India is about 99%, meaning almost every young boy n girl be grow up as literate), would Islam be a such a relevant thing in say next 30-50 years? I am optimistically thinking that easily available internet (through smartphones) could change things in a couple of generations (One generation = 20 years). We can say now with the advent of smartphones, 4g/broadband etc. the internet has truly become universal (maybe not even now)…So I would like a couple of generations to pass on to see the effects…A 13 yo kid would be 53 yrs in 40 years and many older Islamists would have died of old age. Let’s see. Till such time in future when Islam becomes irrelevant, its good to be honest I would say and accept that Islam is a poison. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/691 "2017-02-07T14:46:29Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > A collection of superstitions is not a race. You can piss off too, you pedantic asshole. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/692 "2017-02-07T14:53:38Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Let’s see. Till such time in future when Islam becomes irrelevant, its good to be honest I would say and accept that Islam is a poison. This is both false and counter-productive. Telling decent people that their religion (and theirs alone), which most decent and peaceful Muslims would claim is the reason for their decency and peacefulness, is “poison”, will just make them more afraid of you and your fellows. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/693 "2017-02-07T14:54:40Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You can piss off too, you pedantic asshole. Please direct all your compliments to me only and to no one else. Seriously, are you having a difficult time in your life? You are in my prayer. God bless. ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/694 "2017-02-07T14:55:11Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > No. I mean Islam is the poison… > I never tell a Muslim to his/her face but internet is a beautiful thing. Here, one can write the truth, what the vast majority of non-Muslims think about Islam. An admitted coward hiding behind his keyboard is a truly disgusting creature to behold. Something is poisonous here and it ain’t religion. Crawl back into your vile hole, poltroon. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/695 "2017-02-07T14:57:55Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > ^Disagree. > > But I am an optimist, I am thinking how the future could be like? For example, in the day and age of smartphone, internet and literacy (literacy rate at 13 years for India is about 99%, meaning almost every young boy n girl be grow up as literate), would Islam be a such a relevant thing in say next 30-50 years? As correctly noted above, the same is true of religion generally. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/696 "2017-02-07T15:01:35Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Please direct all your compliments to me only and to no one else. > > Seriously, are you having a difficult time in your life? You are in my prayer. God bless. Your “prayers” are as worthless as your bigoted asinine opinions. You bring shame on your own religion. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/697 "2017-02-07T15:09:15Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > As correctly noted above, the same is true of religion generally. The thing is we can’t be sure about Islam. It (the reform) hasn’t happened as yet. Other religions are largely compatible peaceful today. Islam is different from other religions. I can list incidents of horrific mindless bloodshed happening daily happening all over the world in the name of Islam which most people on this board don’t even hear about because obviously none of us is interested in reading similar depressing stuff on daily basis. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/698 "2017-02-07T15:23:34Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And that Trump continues to rely on the garbage sites for information, not the ones that are crucial and available for a president. > > [Trump Shared False Travel Ban Story On His Facebook Page](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/05/trump-shares-false-travel-ban-story-on-his-facebook-page.html) > > Really, similar misinformation can lead a nation to war. Specially when we have a president that believes that listening to the American intelligence groups is an optional thing. Wow, that bullshit story is still on his FB page and his lovers are lapping it up. Trump doesn’t give a shit about “FAKE NEWS!” He and his staff members are some of the biggest sources of it. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/699 "2017-02-07T15:26:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Other religions are largely compatible peaceful today. There are variations in the degree to which the irrational compartmentalize their irrationality in day-to-day existence. It doesn’t really change things when push comes to shove and they hit the (Dylan) roof. > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > I can list incidents of horrific mindless bloodshed happening daily happening all over the world in the name of Islam which most people on this board don’t even hear about You see? You _see_? And you people _laughed_ at el Presidente of la Republica de los Bananas when he told you about all the attacks the very very dishonest media is covering up! Remember Bowling Green!! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/700 "2017-02-07T16:21:40Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > The thing is we can’t be sure about Islam. It (the reform) hasn’t happened as yet. Other religions are largely compatible peaceful today. Islam is different from other religions. I can list incidents of horrific mindless bloodshed happening daily happening all over the world in the name of Islam which most people on this board don’t even hear about because obviously none of us is interested in reading similar depressing stuff on daily basis. Again, you discriminate a lot to come to that conclusion. > [@](#): > > So, all that would seem to suggest Islam is more violent, right? > > Not so. Rewind fifty or a hundred years and it was communists, anarchists, fascists, and others who thought than any means justified their glorious ends. Even now, Islamists are by no means the sole perpetrators. The Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka and Colombia’s “narcoterrorists” blow up civilians and have nothing to do with Islam. In the United States, law enforcement considers the “sovereign citizens movement” to be a greater threat than Islamist terrorists. However, Islamists do commit most of the terrorism globally these days. > > Look more closely, though, and you’ll see they don’t attack in the West very often. Of the 125 attacks committed by Islamists that I studied, 77—62 percent—of them were committed in predominantly Muslim countries, and their victims were overwhelmingly other Muslims. Another 40 attacks took place in just three countries—Israel, India, and the Philippines. Only four of the 125 attacks happened in the Western Hemisphere or Europe. They were ghastly and dramatic, just as they were intended to be. But they were, and still are, rare. > [@](#): > > What about violent crime? Here Muslims are way behind the rest of us—and in a good way. Homicide rates in Muslim-majority countries average about two murders per annum per 100,000 people. In non-Muslim countries, the average rate is about 8 per 100,000. Murder rates fluctuate from year to year, but they are consistently low in Muslim societies. The homicide rate in Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim country, is 1 per 100,000—one-fifth the rate of the world’s largest Christian country, the United States. Christian countries live with murder rates that are unknown in the Muslim world. Brazilians and Mexicans are used to murder rates in the 15-25 range; the rate in Venezuela tops 50. Turks, Egyptians, Iranians, and Malaysians live with rates in the 2-4 range. In a good year, Christian South Africa lives with a murder rate of around 30. In a bad year, the rate in Muslim Senegal is one-tenth of that. Anyone who is skeptical of these numbers is invited to walk through minaret-dotted Dakar and steeple-studded Johannesburg at night and compare their experiences in the two cities. For that matter, have a stroll after dark in the low-income areas of Istanbul or Ankara. Then do so in Philadelphia or Oakland. And unfortunately you seem to be a part of the ones that stupidly assume that the ones pointing that are defending Islam, nope. I kinda agree with an atheist that once said that we should bombard the middle east (including Israel) with leaflets containing essays from Bertrand Russell about religion. I’m of the mind that religion will remain for a long time with humanity, but the mission for all more secular people is to ensure that religion \*\*remains \*\*benevolent overall. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=36)