# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/81 "2017-01-29T06:13:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > **Monty** didn’t say Trump will fire her, he was laying odds he would try. > Trump knows less about the gov’t and what he can or can’t do than a 1st grader knows about building a nuclear reactor. Well **running coach** , I’m guessing the odds are now worse than “Five will get you eight”. Regardless, the staff who wrote this executive order are probably getting their asses chewed out unless the way things played out were a calculated result to further a greater/more sinister aim. :dubious: Up next, Supreme court nominee this Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/82 "2017-01-29T06:37:37Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Well **running coach** , I’m guessing the odds are now worse than “Five will get you eight”. Regardless, the staff who wrote this executive order are probably getting their asses chewed out unless the way things played out were a calculated result to further a greater/more sinister aim. :dubious: > > Up next, Supreme court nominee this Wednesday. Yes, they’ll be some interesting questions for the nominee regarding this action. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/83 "2017-01-29T06:38:06Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You don’t understand it, do you? You’ve noticed that Our Relatively Sane Conservatives have avoided this topic. They _know_ it makes them look really bad. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/84 "2017-01-29T07:03:28Z")
I wonder if there are Muslims arguing on a Arabic language SDMB? Some poor slob trying to argue for some peaceful resolutions, some way to not get folks killed. And his main antagonist just goes on and on about how America hates Islam, how they hate Muslilms, how only war on Americans and Westerners in general will stop them from killing every Muslim. “You don’t think they all want us dead? Look who they elected! Look what he’s doing!” And every few days, or hours, he’s the guy who gets to gloat about how, every day and every hour, America is eager to prove him right. “Blessed are the peace-makers”? “Outnumbered” are the peace-makers. Bet right now, this minute, tonight, Joe Jihad is pointing out that America will help the Christian refugees, and just leave the Muslims to die. And poor ol’ Achmed al-lucidator is trying to think of something to say. And just can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/85 "2017-01-29T07:19:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I"Blessed are the peace-makers"? “Outnumbered” are the peace-makers. All the more reason to get out there to those protests. Let the world see that a hell of a lot of us are **not** okay with this. Not that I think that your average Jahfar Jihad is likely to care, because his mind was made up long ago. But a lot of other people will find it hopeful and reassuring. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/86 "2017-01-29T07:21:44Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Our illustrious leader to the North, Justin Trudeau, tweeted in response: > > “To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada” Isn’t that a great sentiment? Yes, yes it is. Thanks so much for letting us all know what a true leader does. And of course, [almost 40,000 Syrian refugees](http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/welcome/)have been resettled in Canada recently. There are some amazing stories at the link. It makes us proud of our country. Thanks again for helping bring this to everyone’s attention. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/87 "2017-01-29T07:26:32Z")
Robert Reich says that this has been one of the most alarming weeks in US political history. He’s right. The President has done all manner of nutty things that shouldn’t be done, not to mention his degrading of the overall dignity of the office of the President. But how do you attack a President whose crazy actions are simply in keeping the promises he made? People voted for this. He lost the popular vote, sure, but he won 30 states. And so far, every one of his executive actions have been things he made a big part of his campaign. He said he would do these things, and he did. This is a very unusual situation in American politics. While it’s true that Presidents do keep more of their promises than is generally believed, it’s often easy for those of us who follow this stuff closely what is just campaign talk and what is real. And you had to figure that a lot of the stuff that came out of Trump’s mouth, had it been a typical Republican saying them, it would have been just to whip up the rubes. But in Trump’s case, those were his actual policies! But isn’t that good that he’s doing exactly what he’s been elected to do? it seems to me that we can criticize the policies, as Robert Reich and other liberals(and many conservatives) are doing, but what seems to be missing from their attacks is the fact that the country voted for this. Well, perhaps not the country as a whole, but majorities or near-majorities in 30 states. Attacking Trump’s policies without attempting to persuade the people of those 30 states that they made the wrong choice doesn’t strike me as likely to get anyone very far. I suppose the strategy could be to motivate liberals to turn out and vote, but color me skeptical that it will actually happen. That’s been tried every time a Republican President has been in office, at least since Nixon, and the tide never turns until independent voters also get fed up. Base mobilization will never beat Trump by itself. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/88 "2017-01-29T07:27:35Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Really fucktard? A dumbass like you should be able to provide a cite. Cite for what? That you’re a fuckwit? Your own posting history is the cite. Every post is more ignorant than the one before. You’re the mutant creature obtained when **Clothahump** ’s brain is transferred into a dung beetle. > [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > We’ll see who gets the last laugh. > > I am fairly confident that it wont be liberals. > [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > … I believe that there is a direct inverse relationship between liberal sadness and the happiness of others. And not to be outdone, **Blinkyandpinky** throws its hat into the ring in the contest for stupidest Doper ever. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/89 "2017-01-29T07:29:30Z")
Will Asghar Farhadi be allowed into Amerika to receive his possible Oscar? If not, maybe the Academy should show huuuge gumption and move the entire ceremony to Europe. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/90 "2017-01-29T07:32:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I wonder if there are Muslims arguing on a Arabic language SDMB? Some poor slob trying to argue for some peaceful resolutions, some way to not get folks killed. And his main antagonist just goes on and on about how America hates Islam, how they hate Muslilms, how only war on Americans and Westerners in general will stop them from killing every Muslim. > > “You don’t think they all want us dead? Look who they elected! Look what he’s doing!” > > And every few days, or hours, he’s the guy who gets to gloat about how, every day and every hour, America is eager to prove him right. > > “Blessed are the peace-makers”? “Outnumbered” are the peace-makers. > > Bet right now, this minute, tonight, Joe Jihad is pointing out that America will help the Christian refugees, and just leave the Muslims to die. And poor ol’ Achmed al-lucidator is trying to think of something to say. And just can’t. > > * * * > > Law above fear, justice above law, mercy above justice, love above all. ++ ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/91 "2017-01-29T07:40:57Z")
[Time for Canada to close the fucking border down:](http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadians-holding-dual-citizenship-with-countries-targeted-by-immigration-ban-cant-enter-u-s) > [@](#): > > Canadians who hold dual citizenship with any of the seven countries targeted by a travel ban will not be permitted to enter the U.S., a representative from the State Department said Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/92 "2017-01-29T07:50:21Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Will Asghar Farhadi be allowed into Amerika to receive his possible Oscar? If not, maybe the Academy should show huuuge gumption and move the entire ceremony to Europe. I’m pretty sure the Oscars will broadcast from LA. But comments during the show will inspire many an angry Presidential Tweet. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/93 "2017-01-29T08:25:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You’re the mutant creature obtained when **Clothahump** ’s brain is transferred into a dung beetle. What did they pad all of the empty space out with? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/94 "2017-01-29T08:57:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But isn’t that good that he’s doing exactly what he’s been elected to do? No. Why would it be? Doing evil when you’ve said you’d do evil isn’t good. > [@adaher](#): > > it seems to me that we can criticize the policies, as Robert Reich and other liberals(and many conservatives) are doing, but what seems to be missing from their attacks is the fact that the country voted for this. Well, perhaps not the country as a whole, but majorities or near-majorities in 30 states. > > Attacking Trump’s policies without attempting to persuade the people of those 30 states that they made the wrong choice doesn’t strike me as likely to get anyone very far. It can’t be done; one of the mistakes of the Democrats has been their repeated attempts to persuade the unpersuadable. They are unlikely to even hear any attempts to do so; they only listen to their far right propaganda providers. And if they do hear; well, we’re all parasitic Satanic traitors, so they won’t listen. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/95 "2017-01-29T09:06:42Z")
Is the President doing anything he wasn’t mandated to do? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/96 "2017-01-29T09:24:56Z")
> [@3trew](#): > > what did they pad all of the empty space out with? FOGBANK, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/97 "2017-01-29T09:37:38Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No. Why would it be? Doing evil when you’ve said you’d do evil isn’t good. True, but we also live in a democracy, or republic if you will, and keeping campaign promises to the letter SHOULD be normal. The fact that it isn’t is a big factor in why Trump is in the White House right now. > [@](#): > > It can’t be done; one of the mistakes of the Democrats has been their repeated attempts to persuade the unpersuadable. They are unlikely to even hear any attempts to do so; they only listen to their far right propaganda providers. > > And if they do hear; well, we’re all parasitic Satanic traitors, so they won’t listen. Then you’re basically giving up on winning elections. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/98 "2017-01-29T09:56:15Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Is the President doing anything he wasn’t mandated to do? Trump did not have a mandate. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/99 "2017-01-29T10:05:51Z")
I kind of agree but only because you don’t live in a democracy. Trump is a symptom of exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/100 "2017-01-29T10:09:17Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Syphilitic marmoset? Holy shit you’re a nerd. lol. > > Once again, you said… > > Who? The two in New York who were the focus of MSNBC and the ACLU Saturday? > > Neither one of them had green cards, or were legal residents of the US. > > I’ll repeat - who are the legal residents you’re referring to that are being denied entry? You have removed all doubt. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=6)