# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/101 "2017-01-29T10:11:13Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > > [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > > > I believe that there is a direct inverse relationship between liberal sadness and the happiness of others. > > And not to be outdone, **Blinkyandpinky** throws its hat into the ring in the contest for stupidest Doper ever. Did you notice that he didn’t even get the math talk right? 😃 If there’s a **direct** relationship between liberal sadness and nonliberal happiness, then (more liberal sadness) =\> (more nonliberal happiness), which I think is what he meant to say. But if there’s an **inverse** relationship between liberal sadness and nonliberal happiness, then (more liberal sadness) =\> ( **less** nonliberal happiness). And of course, what he actually said is that there’s a “direct inverse relationship”, which is a contradictory word salad that doesn’t really mean anything at all. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/102 "2017-01-29T10:12:54Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Is the President doing anything he wasn’t mandated to do? He lost by three million votes. He doesn’t have a mandate to do _anything_. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/103 "2017-01-29T10:25:10Z")
whatayamean, he got almost 27% of those permitted to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/104 "2017-01-29T11:16:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > True, but we also live in a democracy, or republic if you will, and keeping campaign promises to the letter SHOULD be normal. The fact that it isn’t is a big factor in why Trump is in the White House right now. No, politicians generally do keep their promises or try to. Trump was voted in out of malice and bigotry. > [@adaher](#): > > Then you’re basically giving up on winning elections. Democracy in the US died the moment Trump and the Republicans took office. There will not be another meaningful national election in my lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/105 "2017-01-29T11:39:19Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > The detained Iraqi translator at JFK [likes President Trump](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCkJAKzdME). Are you sure you want him in the country? I thought that was an awesome response. As if to remind us all that this shouldn’t be about any individual “liking” or “not liking” any other individual. It’s much bigger and deeper than that. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/106 "2017-01-29T11:42:52Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Please stop [writing “T—”]. Trump is neither a deity nor Voldemort, he’s an overweight man who wears ill-fitting suits." It makes me physically ill to type his name, or to see an image of his face. I’m not kidding or exaggerating. So, no, I won’t stop. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/107 "2017-01-29T11:49:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I wonder if there are Muslims arguing on a Arabic language SDMB? Some poor slob trying to argue for some peaceful resolutions, some way to not get folks killed. And his main antagonist just goes on and on about how America hates Islam, how they hate Muslilms, how only war on Americans and Westerners in general will stop them from killing every Muslim. > > “You don’t think they all want us dead? Look who they elected! Look what he’s doing!” > > And every few days, or hours, he’s the guy who gets to gloat about how, every day and every hour, America is eager to prove him right. > > “Blessed are the peace-makers”? “Outnumbered” are the peace-makers. > > Bet right now, this minute, tonight, Joe Jihad is pointing out that America will help the Christian refugees, and just leave the Muslims to die. And poor ol’ Achmed al-lucidator is trying to think of something to say. And just can’t. Great post. Puts some vivid detail on the general (true) observation that the new administration’s immigration actions are harmful to US security. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/108 "2017-01-29T11:53:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > [Time for Canada to close the fucking border down:](http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadians-holding-dual-citizenship-with-countries-targeted-by-immigration-ban-cant-enter-u-s) Wow. Building a vertical wall right through the middle of Niagara Falls ain’t gonna be cheap. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/109 "2017-01-29T12:03:36Z")
I actually thought adaher’s post (87) was well written and spot on. A big chunk of America’s population really IS deplorable. As I posted yesterday in another thread, this saddens me deeply. We’re talking about many of my friendly neighbors, and even a few of my true friends. But I can’t avoid the facts. And adaher’s right about the voting numbers (independents, bases…). Perhaps there’s not much that can be done but hope that the deplorables tend to die much younger than the others. Am I really hoping that certain friends and neighbors die soon? That can’t be right. I need to rethink this. But logically, right now I don’t see what other choice I have. It’s that, or stop caring about _anything_. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/110 "2017-01-29T12:26:15Z")
Just saw on the news that Trump has vowed to continue enforcing his executive order in defiance of the courts. Have I mentioned that Trump knows nothing about the government of the United States? How is this SOB not a modern-day Hitler? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/111 "2017-01-29T12:30:02Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I’ll repeat - who are the legal residents you’re referring to that are being denied entry? Look I found a really obscure cite that supports Colibri. > [@](#): > > Human rights groups reported that legal permanent residents of the United States who hold green cards were being stopped in foreign airports as they sought to return from funerals, vacations or study abroad. > [@](#): > > Legal residents who have a green card and are currently in the United States should meet with a consular officer before leaving the country, a White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told reporters. Officials did not clarify the criteria that would qualify someone for a waiver, other than that it would be granted “in the national interest.” I had to dig deep to find this. I had to go to the length of (drumroll please) reading the article linked by the OP. I know, right? How could you possibly have guessed that information relevant to the OP was to be found in the cite linked off from the OP? Everyone is being just _so_ unfair to you. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/112 "2017-01-29T12:31:12Z")
p.s. Of course it doesn’t bother him that green-card holders are included. During the campaign, he said he’d even block American military members who are Muslim from returning to the US. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/113 "2017-01-29T12:35:22Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I actually thought adaher’s post (87) was well written and spot on. A big chunk of America’s population really IS deplorable. As I posted yesterday in another thread, this saddens me deeply. We’re talking about many of my friendly neighbors, and even a few of my true friends. > > But I can’t avoid the facts. And adaher’s right about the voting numbers (independents, bases…). Perhaps there’s not much that can be done but hope that the deplorables tend to die much younger than the others. > > Am I really hoping that certain friends and neighbors die soon? That can’t be right. I need to rethink this. But logically, right now I don’t see what other choice I have. It’s that, or stop caring about _anything_. ☹ I think persuasion can always work, at least on enough people to make a difference. I started out being in favor of a ban on Syrian refugees and was convinced through argument to change my mind. There’s a right way and a wrong way and I think Democrats chose the wrong way, while Dopers(some of them) made a little more sense. Obama’s dig on “widows and orphans” was insulting and was an implicit lie as well, since it is not the US’s policy to only take widows and orphans. But leaders with more faith in the morals and intelligence of the voters than he had could do better. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/114 "2017-01-29T12:37:49Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Just saw on the news that Trump has vowed to continue enforcing his executive order in defiance of the courts. Have I mentioned that Trump knows nothing about the government of the United States? How is this SOB not a modern-day Hitler? He’s complying with the decision completely. The whole order wasn’t blocked, just the part about it going into effect so immediately that people on planes or with valid visas couldn’t enter. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/115 "2017-01-29T12:37:59Z")
Thanks, addy. Food for thought. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/116 "2017-01-29T12:38:15Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How is this SOB not a modern-day Hitler? Hitler was far more charming and subtle. Haircut’s about the same, though. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/117 "2017-01-29T12:43:33Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Just saw on the news that Trump has vowed to continue enforcing his executive order in defiance of the courts. Have I mentioned that Trump knows nothing about the government of the United States? How is this SOB not a modern-day Hitler? Do you have a cite for his precise wording? (My Google-Fu failed me). Because if it was explicitly “in defiance of the courts,” that would obviously refute adaher’s interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/118 "2017-01-29T12:57:41Z")
I just went to the front page of CNN and it said DHS is complying with the judge’s decision. > **[Homeland Security to comply with orders not to deport travelers | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/ny-immigration-order-stay/index.html)** > > The US Department of Homeland Security said on Sunday it will comply with judicial orders not to deport detained travelers affected by President Donald Trump's seismic move to ban more than 130 million people from entering the United States. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/119 "2017-01-29T13:01:11Z")
And please, let’s not compare Trump to Hitler. We should compare him to Chester Arthur, who signed the Chinese Exclusion Act. While it’s fine to attack Trump’s decision, and this is not who we are NOW, it’s not fascist either. It’s very much in the American tradition to exclude whole classes of immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/120 "2017-01-29T13:03:52Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > True. This is exactly why I have now gone from “generously trying to understand where T— voters are ‘coming from’” to “despising every single fucker who voted for T—.” Every single one. > > They KNEW what was coming. I can only conclude that they LIKE this shit. > > I hate that I feel this way. I’m taking about friendly neighbors, maybe even a few true friends! But it is what it is. I’m angry at their ignorance, but I try to refrain from despising people. True, some Trump voters - a lot maybe - cannot be saved. But we will need the many others who can be reasoned with. In no way am I excusing people who knowingly voted for bigotry, but not everyone who did is necessarily a bad person. They just need to be educated, to see something in a different light. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=7)