# Trump's Executive Order on Immigration - Let it Rip Dopers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468 "2017-01-29T01:44:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/141 "2017-01-29T15:17:36Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > And let’s not even mention the six month ban on Iraqi refugees, carried out by none other than Obama. > > Not a peep from liberals then. > > And then there’s Obama’s ban on Cuban refugees. > > Not a peep from liberals there either. > > They are all full of shit. Nope. Trump specifically requested [a ban on Muslims.](http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Rudy-Giuliani-President-Trump-asked-me-to-create-a-legal-Muslim-ban-.html) Not remotely similar. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/142 "2017-01-29T15:20:09Z")
Per the thread title-can I let 'er rip in Der President’s face? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/143 "2017-01-29T15:28:33Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Only a deranged moron would obsess over this meaningless thing that doesn’t exist, eh Obie? Yeah, I mean if someone was obsessed about losing the popular vote they would tweet constantly complaining about it and launch investigations based on zero evidence. Oh wait… ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/144 "2017-01-29T16:20:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Trump’s order is in keeping with his loathsome, ignorant character. But, I ask you, is there not one pair of gonads in all of Congress?? > > [Paul Ryan](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-plans-to-sign-executive-action-on-refugees-extreme-vetting/): > Gutless, M-F, coward. “and since refugees from war-torn countries have fuck all documentation and any attempt at vetting them would, perforce, involve the very government that’s hostile to them and they’re trying to flee - what I’m saying is, we’re compassionate, but tough shit, brah” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/145 "2017-01-29T16:54:07Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Only a deranged moron would obsess over this meaningless thing that doesn’t exist, eh Obie? Especially with all those 8×10 color glossy photographs. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/146 "2017-01-29T17:02:27Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Especially with all those 8×10 color glossy photographs. Do they have circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explainin’ what each one was, to be used as evidence? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/147 "2017-01-29T17:04:56Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Only a deranged moron would obsess over this meaningless thing that doesn’t exist, eh Obie? Are you calling (many) posters on this board deranged morons? ---
**Author:** ![Vicsage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e68b1a/32.png) [@Vicsage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vicsage)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/148 "2017-01-29T17:11:40Z")
Saw a protestor holding a sign that said “America was build by refugees”. Ask the Native Americans how that turned out for them. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/149 "2017-01-29T17:12:51Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Are you calling (many) posters on this board deranged morons? No. Just you. And your orange jackass in chief. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/150 "2017-01-29T17:13:01Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Are you calling (many) posters on this board deranged morons? I’m pretty sure that he’s talking about the Man-Child In Chief and all of his retarded fans. People like YOU, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/151 "2017-01-29T17:13:05Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Are you calling (many) posters on this board deranged morons? OK, it is clear that you want to be a certifiably branded one, the posters there were pointing at Trump who is the one that has made that a priority when it should had been dismissed as a talking point months ago. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/152 "2017-01-29T17:13:13Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Are you calling (many) posters on this board deranged morons? Are you “many posters on this board”, or are you claiming to be their official representative? ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/153 "2017-01-29T17:14:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are you “many posters on this board”, or are you claiming to be their official representative? He’s certainly a representative example of a deranged moron. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/154 "2017-01-29T17:15:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Some commentators have compared him to Andrew Jackson, actually. > [@asahi](#): > > And Andrew Jackson is probably rolling around in his grave at the comparison. Jackson, unlike Trump, was actually pretty competent at administration and leadership of organizations. He did lead a military after all. And others, not so much… [Interview in WaPo _The Fix_ with Jackson biographer Jon Meacham] [Donald Trump thinks he is the modern Andrew Jackson. Here’s why he isn’t.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/27/trump-thinks-he-is-the-modern-andrew-jackson-here-is-why-he-isnt-yet/) > [@](#): > > FIX: On Thursday at the congressional Republican retreat, Mitch McConnell expressly compared Trump to Andrew Jackson. Do you have any sense on when Jackson became the preferred historical antecedent for Trump? > > Meacham: This is pure Stephen K. Bannon, who drew the analogy in November. Others had made the point, of course, but Jackson as the official go-to came then. I talked to Trump in May about history and role models, and Jackson never came up. > … > > FIX: Where are Trump and Jackson similar? And are the similarities on big things or small ones? Differences? > > Meacham: The biggest distinction is experience. Jackson came to the presidency as a former judge, general, senator and presidential candidate. Despite his rabble-rousing image — opponents worried Jackson would become an “American Bonaparte” — Jackson was in fact at home in the precincts of power because he’d been around the capital a good deal before becoming president. The other key difference is that Jackson knew how to manage his own weaknesses. He wasn’t always successful at it, but a Jacksonian temper tantrum or threat was often calculated, not unhinged. We don’t yet know whether Trump can pull off the same feat of compensating for — and even leveraging — his hypersensitivity, for instance, and his weakness for hyperbole and chaos. I hope he can do what Jackson did and turn these vices into means for virtuous ends. To me, that’s perhaps the greatest question about Trump and temperament… So, no. Trump is not comparable to Andrew Jackson, who, it appears was an experienced grown-up when he became President. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/155 "2017-01-29T17:15:42Z")
Had to guess, I’d put that number at right about ten. Is that “many”? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/156 "2017-01-29T17:16:58Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Are you calling (many) posters on this board deranged morons? Why do you ask? Do the opinions of other posters on this board matter so much to you? (Serious question.) FTR, the \*opinions \*of deranged morons, here or anywhere, do not matter at all to me. I am interested in facts if and when I come across them. But opinions? No. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/157 "2017-01-29T17:17:32Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > …So, no. Trump is not comparable to Andrew Jackson, who, it appears was an experienced grown-up when he became President. I politely demure. And the horse upon in which he rode. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/158 "2017-01-29T17:20:47Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > 2018 isn’t a Democrat-friendly year. Trump is going full speed ahead to make it so. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/159 "2017-01-29T17:22:04Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Are you calling (many) posters on this board deranged morons? You seem to be taking this personally. Maybe it hits a little close to home? ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468/160 "2017-01-29T17:30:08Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Perhaps some other countries could protest and retaliate by banning Americans traveling to their countries for a period of time. Germany, France, England, Brazil? > > I wonder what could happen… > **[Trump’s grandfather ‘kicked out of Germany’ | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/trump-grandfather-germany-friedrich/)** > > Donald Trump’s grandfather was kicked out of his native Germany for failing to do his mandatory military service there, a historian has claimed. Germany kicked Trump grandfather out the country according to this link ,so let not allowed anymore people with the name ‘Trump’ in ! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-let-it-rip-dopers/778468.md?page=9)