# Trump's first 10 days, how do you view him? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490 "2017-01-29T07:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/21 "2017-01-29T13:26:38Z")
> [@ultimate11](#): > > Maybe I should have gotten to the gritty things as to what I like. Actions on immigration from foreign countries containing Muslims for one, is a welcome change. Why? Did you disbelieve any of the numbers given in this paper? [https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis](https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis) > [@](#): > > Including those murdered in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 (9/11), the chance of an American perishing in a terrorist attack on U.S. soil that was committed by a foreigner over the 41-year period studied here is 1 in 3.6 million per year. The hazard posed by foreigners who entered on different visa categories varies considerably. For instance, the chance of an American being murdered in a terrorist attack caused by a refugee is 1 in 3.64 billion per year while the chance of being murdered in an attack committed by an illegal immigrant is an astronomical 1 in 10.9 billion per year. By contrast, the chance of being murdered by a tourist on a B visa, the most common tourist visa, is 1 in 3.9 million per year. Let’s note, for comparison, that your odds of being killed by a shark (for an American) is about 1 in 3.7m, and the odds of being killed by lightning are 1 in 80k. [http://www.surfer.com/features/what-are-the-odds/#SXhkdef5AhjKLpKT.97](http://www.surfer.com/features/what-are-the-odds/#SXhkdef5AhjKLpKT.97) There’s a thing in South Korea where people think that you might get killed by sleeping with a fan on. They’re worried that if you turn to face away from the fan, a vacuum will form in front of your face, and you will suffocate in your sleep. Now just imagine moving to South Korea and seeing the local politicians making all of this policy about how beds have to be shaped and writing up regulations on how to ventilation and A/C systems can be installed. And the government puts millions of dollars into ads that make sure everyone is aware of the problem and is careful about how they sleep. Given that you know that exactly 0 people have died from suffocating in their sleep due to a vortex formed by their plug-in fan, wouldn’t you think, “This is fucking nuts”? “Yeah yeah”, you’re thinking, “But that’s because we’ve got the CIA and NSA and everyone protecting us. It’s only so low because we have protections in place. Otherwise, terrorists would be sneaking in nukes every other day.” Okay well so, let’s look at homicide statistics. There are about 16k people murdered in the US every year (your odds of being murdered in your life is 1 in 270, btw, though it’s not relevant to my current point). But only about 10.5k murderers are arrested. The police are only able to catch about 2 in 3 murderers. There are about 16.6 police officers per 10k citizens in the US. The total number of NSA and CIA employees is estimated at about 60k. Since they’re tasked with monitoring _the whole rest of the world_, that puts them at about 0.08 operatives per 10k non-American people. Their job is to find out bad things before they have even happened. A police officer already knows what happened and how, and simply needs to backtrack. The CIA and NSA need to gain information without being discovered and have no easy access to the people and places that could help them. The police have large capabilities to gain access to the locations that have the answers they need and rights to question just about anyone they want to, without fear. So do you think that we should expect the CIA and NSA to have a greater or lower “win” rate than 2 in 3? Personally, I think that their job is much harder than the police’s and they have far less people to do it with. But even if we accept that they’re just as good at patrolling the world and are able to sense future crimes as well as police can solve past crimes, the amount of terrorist-caused deaths that they would be preventing would only be a 50% increase over what we already have. That moves your odds of being killed by a foreign terrorist from the range of a shark attack to…oh I don’t know, maybe a cow or something? 9/11 was an impressive single act of terrorism. But drunk drivers kill way more people than that every year. If you want to save your own life, the life of your kids, or whatever else, why not ban people from countries like Ireland or Estonia? > **[Top 10 Alcohol Consuming Countries In The World](https://www.worldatlas.com/society/top-10-alcohol-consuming-countries-in-the-world.html)** > > Are you curious what the top alcohol consuming countries in the world are? Latvia drinks the most alcohol per capita at 12.9 liters a year per person. Factually, you’ll save a lot more lives. And it would still be an exercise in stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/22 "2017-01-29T13:32:15Z")
The dude is a power trippin psycho. Exactly the kind of asshole we _ **don’t** _ need in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/23 "2017-01-29T13:51:33Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Very positively. > > This poll doesn’t surprise me any, though. Trump was never going to be popular around here, no matter what he did and does. By around here, you mean the United States? Because he has historically low approval numbers. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/24 "2017-01-29T14:11:28Z")
Immoral and incompetent. Read this: [Malevolence Tempered by incompetence: Trump’s Horrifying Executive Order on Refugees and Visas](https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas) I have no doubt that eventually Trump & Co. will learn how the system works. At that point, our only hope is impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/25 "2017-01-29T14:13:43Z")
Let’s also note that, yesterday, Trump began talks that will likely lead to handing the Ukraine over to Russia: > **[Trump, Putin discuss 'mutually beneficial' trade, security](https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-putin-discuss-mutually-beneficial-trade-security)** > > President Donald Trump had an hourlong discussion Saturday with Russian President Vladimir Putin — the first since Trump assumed office last week — raising questions over the fate of U.S. sanctions against Moscow and whether the two will look to... ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/26 "2017-01-29T14:49:44Z")
> [@ultimate11](#): > > Maybe I should have gotten to the gritty things as to what I like. Actions on immigration from foreign countries containing Muslims for one, is a welcome change. Especially that part where he’s giving 90 days for agencies to figure out how we’re going to root out extremists. Withdrawal from TPP and the United States federal hiring freeze is also a welcome change. > > I’m wait and see on other issues, and the rest of the actions Trump will or may take in the next couple of days, but for now, he’s looking promising. If he was really serious about preventing immigration from terrorists countries why didn’t he include Saudi Arabia? You know, where the bulk of the terrorists who committed 9/11 came from? Is it because he has business interests in Saudi Arabia? Of course it is. But lets say Saudi Arabia isn’t on the list for some other reason. Let’s take another look at the list shall we. Lebanon. Another place where a 9/11 terrorist came from. Lebanon. A place with a history of terror bombings. Lebanon. The main operating site of Hezbollah which is funded by Iran (which is on the list interesting). Why isn’t Lebanon on the list? Is it because Trump does business there. Of course it is. Feeling duped yet? You should. Trump couldn’t be more obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/27 "2017-01-29T14:54:41Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > If he was really serious about preventing immigration from terrorists countries why didn’t he include Saudi Arabia? You know, where the bulk of the terrorists who committed 9/11 came from? > > Is it because he has business interests in Saudi Arabia? Of course it is. Something I read mentioned that there had been a law passed (I think it said last year) which targeted people from those seven countries for extra scrutiny. I take it that the Executive Measure uses the Executive’s discretion in how to enforce the laws to order the temporary ban, on the basis that they are reviewing the security measures. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/28 "2017-01-29T15:00:03Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Immoral and incompetent. > > Read this: [Malevolence Tempered by incompetence: Trump’s Horrifying Executive Order on Refugees and Visas](https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas) . The applauders of Trump like the appearance of action more than the competence. They are the loud drunk in the bar saying how to fix the world type of actions. It is funny to see direct and gross incompetence in execution celebrated… The link is interesting, as the author seems to be in general of the more Security mindset and not a person of the Left: > [@](#): > > If the purpose of the order is the one it describes, for example, I can think of no good reason to burden the lives of students individually suspected of nothing who are here lawfully and just happen to be temporarily overseas, or to detain tourists and refugees who were mid-flight when the order came down. I have trouble imagining any reason to raise questions about whether green card holders who have lived here for years can leave the country and then return. Yes, it’s temporary, …, but temporarily irrational is still irrational. > > Put simply, I don’t believe that the stated purpose is the real purpose. This is the first policy the United States has adopted in the post-9/11 era about which I have ever said this. It’s a grave charge, I know, and I’m not making it lightly. But in the rational pursuit of security objectives, you don’t marginalize your expert security agencies and fail to vet your ideas through a normal interagency process. You don’t target the wrong people in nutty ways when you’re rationally pursuing real security objectives. > > When do you do these things? You do these things when you’re elevating the symbolic politics of bashing Islam over any actual security interest. … > > … It could have all been implemented in a fashion that didn’t create endless litigation opportunities and didn’t cause enormous diplomatic friction. > > How incompetent is this order? An immigration lawyer who works for the federal government wrote me today describing the quality of the work as “look[ing] like what an intern came up with over a lunch hour. . . . My take is that it is so poorly written that it’s hard to tell the impact." ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/29 "2017-01-29T17:43:24Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The dude is a power trippin psycho. Exactly the kind of asshole we _ **don’t** _ need in the White House. I’ll agree with this :mad: ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/30 "2017-01-29T17:44:51Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Feeling duped yet? You should. Trump couldn’t be more obvious. The suckers who support Trump aren’t going to realize they’ve been duped for quite a while, because they don’t really know anything about these issues, and he’ll continue the cheap political theatrics to keep people distracted as long as he can. That’s pretty much Trump’s strategy all summed up. At bottom he doesn’t really care about any of these things–he just knows what simplistic slogans and half-baked proposals will appeal to their limited understanding. He’s just an act, and only really cares about popularity. He doesn’t really care about Americans’ jobs, or the working or middle class, and doesn’t have a clue about how to realistically improve them. In the meantime, he will fill his own pockets, and those of his sycophant cronies. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/31 "2017-01-29T17:48:32Z")
You left out my best answer: “Jesus may love him, but I think he’s shit wrapped in skin.” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/32 "2017-01-29T17:54:07Z")
I would think his “supporters” would be a little disappointed that they, and not the Mexicans, are getting the bill for “the wall.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/33 "2017-01-29T18:08:32Z")
I view him as the useful idiot that he is for the likes of Bannon and Putin. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/34 "2017-01-29T18:16:01Z")
Amateur hour is in full swing. These morons obviously don’t know what they’re doing, and Trump has already gotten a U.S. soldier [killed.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/us-servicemember-killed-in-raid-on-al-qaeda-in-yemen/index.html) Is that a record for incompetence? Starving the beast with a national federal tax strike might be the only option with President Scumbag. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/35 "2017-01-29T18:32:17Z")
If you’d asked me a couple of days ago, I would have voted ‘Negatively’. Now, with the immigration restrictions (temporary though they may be), I’ve had to downgrade to ‘Very negatively’. I’m not in favour of completely open borders, but you don’t need to be to oppose this latest executive order. The notion of banning everyone from certain countries from entering the USA, even if only to visit friends or family, is as unAmerican as anything I can think of since the days of Japanese internment. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/36 "2017-01-29T18:36:36Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > You left out my best answer: “Jesus may love him, but I think he’s shit wrapped in skin.” I know, right? I looked for the ‘sub-human crot’ option, but it wasn’t there. Had to go with ‘very negatively.’ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/37 "2017-01-29T20:32:14Z")
Welcome to the New World Order, where ol’ Breitbart boy replaces the head of the DNI and the Chairman of the JCS on the National Security Council. Where the little guy gets screwed on day 1. And where the media should ‘just shut up, we know what we’re doing.’ I feel so much safer now. For anyone foolish enough to think otherwise, this comment is dripping with sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/38 "2017-01-29T20:41:08Z")
2020 can’t get here too quickly for me. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/39 "2017-01-29T20:41:18Z")
I can’t think of a poll more one-sided than this one on the Dope. Should we see how people feel about declawing cats next? I hope the rest of the country can wake up and see what’s happening. ETA: Unlike some polls were the negative votes come in part from the fact that the person isn’t enough to one side or the other (e.g., Anti-obamacare because it doesn’t go far enough) I doubt anyone is voting against Trump because he hasn’t been enough of a crazy asshole. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490/40 "2017-01-29T20:56:39Z")
The election is over. This is a poll. Off to IMHO. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-first-10-days-how-do-you-view-him/778490.md?page=3)