# Trump's health **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 15, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963 "2016-08-15T23:33:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/1 "2016-08-15T23:33:59Z")
Trump and his associates seem to recently been pushing the Clinton heath meme pretty hard. Lots of innuendo, and [baseless speculation](http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stelter-tears-into-hannity-for-reckless-boosting-of-clinton-health-conspiracies/) from the usual suspects. I really wonder if this move of Trump’s indicates that his own health is in some doubt. All we have is a weirdly written letter from a doctor with some odd bragging statements. (Trump Would ‘Be the Healthiest Individual Ever Elected to the Presidency’) Sounds like Trump wrote this himself. We don’t have any real medical records from Trump. We do have some indication that he has been on medications in the past that affected his behavior. I think that Trump’s health is likely a bit problematic, and he’s trying to get ahead of the curve by accusing Clinton of health issues first. It’s a tried and true Rovian tactic. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/2 "2016-08-16T00:14:07Z")
I think it’s more a sign of desperation than an actual cover-up. Clinton and Trump are probably both in good general health for their age and neither has any specific medical concerns. Which means it’s a null issue; neither of them can make an issue out of merely being old without it coming back at them. But Trump’s reached the point where he doesn’t have any better options. When you’re already losing, you might as well try anything and hope for a miracle. ---
**Author:** ![Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Backwater_Under_Duck)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/3 "2016-08-16T00:35:40Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think that Trump’s health is likely a bit problematic, and he’s trying to get ahead of the curve by accusing Clinton of health issues first. It’s a tried and true Rovian tactic. He’s not trying to get ahead of the curve. It has already been suggested that Trump is delusional and very unstable. He is merely using the current GOP meme, _I know you are, but what am I?_ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/4 "2016-08-16T00:39:53Z")
Still, it was Rove who pushed the [“traumatic brain injury”](http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/may/14/karl-rove/rove-clinton-hospital-stay-and-glasses-point-traum/) story, not Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/5 "2016-08-16T00:45:28Z")
Well, he _looks_ healthy. Not. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/6 "2016-08-16T00:50:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Still, it was Rove who pushed the [“traumatic brain injury”](http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/may/14/karl-rove/rove-clinton-hospital-stay-and-glasses-point-traum/) story, not Trump. I’ve been seeing it crop up more lately from Trump surrogates, and on-line posters with no history (paid, I suspect). It’s certainly something that is being pushed. **Little Nemo** is likely correct; it smells of desperation. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/7 "2016-08-16T01:18:06Z")
Well you know Trump says he’s healthy but some people are saying that he used to visit Joseph Greenberg regularly, the notorious supplier of amphetamine diet pills to the elite of NY. Now, Smart people, they tell me that “long-term use … can lead to psychosis—delusions of grandeur, say, like the belief that by simply putting your name on real estate properties, you will double their value.” Some people have seen the medical records and they say that Trump was a visitor to Joseph Greenberg for many years, more than enough time to build up permanent side effects. Now I’m not a doctor but I’ve heard these side effects would be much more damaging than a mild concussion… You draw your own conclusion 😃 > **[The Best Theory of 1992: Donald Trump Took Amphetamine-Like Diet Pills](https://www.gawker.com/the-best-theory-of-1992-donald-trump-took-amphetamine-1755299885)** > > What, beyond a team of university psychologists, could explain the mechanism of Donald Trump’s mind? In the early 1990s, two journalists thought they’d figured it out, claiming Trump was fighting his overwhelming fear of being fat with a steady... ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/8 "2016-08-16T01:45:33Z")
The steady diet of McDonald’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and cheap amphetamines can’t be doing the ol’ ticker much good. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/9 "2016-08-16T01:48:55Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > The steady diet of McDonald’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and cheap amphetamines can’t be doing the ol’ ticker much good. I’ve heard that if you eat KFC with a knife and fork, it’s much healthier for you… ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/10 "2016-08-16T01:49:33Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > The steady diet of McDonald’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and cheap amphetamines can’t be doing the ol’ ticker much good. Good thing he doesn’t have a heart. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/11 "2016-08-16T01:54:58Z")
Now, now, it’s not like he’s Darth Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/12 "2016-08-16T01:55:01Z")
> **[Donald Trump’s Actual Medical Records](https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-actual-medical-records)** > > GQ has uncovered the candidate’s very REAL and very extensive history of medical issues Here is his health report ! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/13 "2016-08-16T02:22:05Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > The steady diet of McDonald’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and cheap amphetamines can’t be doing the ol’ ticker much good. Don’t forget-- \*always \*with a side of fries. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/14 "2016-08-16T02:53:32Z")
Doesn’t he look tired? Nah, wrong continent. No, I can’t imagine either side’s, eh, “youth and inexperience” will be an issue in this campaign: The Clinton camp has more to work with and the Trump camp is too incompetent to actually pull it off. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/15 "2016-08-16T02:56:47Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > [http://gawker.com/the-best-theory-of-1992-donald-trump-took-amphetamine-1755299885](http://gawker.com/the-best-theory-of-1992-donald-trump-took-amphetamine-1755299885) Pretenduate! I loved that shit, though my doc only let me take it for three months. What was that side effect? “An artificial sense of well-being.” I take my sense of well-being where I can get it. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/16 "2016-08-16T04:36:47Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > All we have is a weirdly written letter from a doctor with some odd bragging statements. (Trump Would ‘Be the Healthiest Individual Ever Elected to the Presidency’) Sounds like Trump wrote this himself. We don’t have any real medical records from Trump. We do have some indication that he has been on medications in the past that affected his behavior. This. We don’t have his tax records and we don’t have any real medical records. Apply [Trump’s razor](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-scythian-slice-of-trump-s-razor): assume the stupidest explanation consistent with the available facts. Trump is probably on stimulants (diet pills) which partly explains his erratic behavior. He probably has undisclosed medical conditions. He is after all 70 years old. To review, here’s the first paragraph of the Onionesque medical letter. [INDENT][INDENT][INDENT] I have been the personal physician of Mr. Donald J Trump since 1980. His previous physician was my father, Dr. Jacob Bornstein. Over the past 39 years, I am pleased to report that Mr. Trump has had no significant medical problems. Mr Trump has had a recent complete medical examination that showed only positive results. Actually his blood pressure, 110/65, and laboratory test results were astonishingly excellent. [/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT] Only positive results to lab tests? Sounds like a bad thing, technically. Astonishingly excellent? Real physicians don’t write that way. [Daily Beast](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/14/the-donald-s-trumped-up-medical-report.html): “Donald Trump’s doctor released a medical report so silly that when we asked the American Medical Association about its language, their spokesman started to laugh.” [https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Health\_Record.pdf](https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Health_Record.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/17 "2016-08-16T04:44:43Z")
Blood pressure 110/65? Yeah, right. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/18 "2016-08-16T05:23:54Z")
Also, 1980 was only 36 years ago, not 39. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/19 "2016-08-16T06:33:19Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Blood pressure 110/65? Yeah, right. Did they mention whether Trump takes bp medicine? If so, that number is very believable. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963/20 "2016-08-16T08:13:22Z")
Honestly I mean women tend to outlive men and everything, but to me Hillary looks physically very frail, it looks like she needs help walking up stairs. She’s had a concussion and I think it was a blood clot between her skull and brain. I mean you can’t obviously know somebody’s health from a glance but to me Trump “looks” healthier compared to Hillary, also supposedly he doesn’t drink or smoke. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-health/762963.md?page=2)