# Trump's Huawei comments turn Canada in to a hostage-taking accomplice and I'm pissed. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 13, 2018, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031 "2018-12-13T02:24:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/21 "2018-12-20T06:11:03Z")
Not saying it’s a good idea, just that it’s possible under Canadian law. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/22 "2018-12-20T13:10:29Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Didn’t we already do a thread on this? 😕 > > Except she wasn’t arrested for violating the sanctions, she was arrested for international bank fraud. Which is, you know, illegal, regardless of how you feel about Trump or the Iran sanctions. > > The thing with the OP is that this is moot…the justice department has already shut down Trump’s idiotic trial balloon to use the arrest to wring concessions out of China. It’s not going to happen. When she is actually extradited to the US she will face trial, not be used as some sort of bargaining chip in this stupid trade war, because, again, what she did was illegal. Trump’s Justice Department can call it what it wants. She wasn’t arrested for allegedly bilking investors or consumers out of billions of dollars, which would be a perfectly non-political reason for her incarceration. She wasn’t arrested for tax fraud, either. If she ends up in the US criminal justice system, that’s going to be a political problem, not a legal one. If I were an American or a Canadian diplomat or even a relatively high-level executive living and working in China right now, I’d probably be making arrangements to come back home. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/23 "2018-12-20T14:35:45Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Trump’s Justice Department can call it what it wants. She wasn’t arrested for allegedly bilking investors or consumers out of billions of dollars, which would be a perfectly non-political reason for her incarceration. She wasn’t arrested for tax fraud, either. > > If she ends up in the US criminal justice system, that’s going to be a political problem, not a legal one. If I were an American or a Canadian diplomat or even a relatively high-level executive living and working in China right now, I’d probably be making arrangements to come back home. They are calling it what it was…bank fraud. She attempted to deceive the bank about what the loan was for and neglected to tell them that the money would be used in a way that violated the sanctions. Again, whatever you think about the sanctions, the banks would have been on the hook for violating them. That…is…fraud. Which is illegal. Not sure why this keeps coming up to be honest. She wasn’t arrested for political reasons…she was arrested because she broke a law that the Canadians acknowledge IS a law, and one that if she did it to them or in their country they would have arrested her for as well. Obviously, if Trump DOES simply pardon her and send her back, then this indeed becomes a political issue (from a lot of perspective). ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/24 "2018-12-20T15:11:13Z")
> [@XT](#): > > They are calling it what it was…bank fraud. She attempted to deceive the bank about what the loan was for and neglected to tell them that the money would be used in a way that violated the sanctions. Again, whatever you think about the sanctions, the banks would have been on the hook for violating them. That…is…fraud. Which is illegal. Not sure why this keeps coming up to be honest. She wasn’t arrested for political reasons…she was arrested because she broke a law that the Canadians acknowledge IS a law, and one that if she did it to them or in their country they would have arrested her for as well. > > Obviously, if Trump DOES simply pardon her and send her back, then this indeed becomes a political issue (from a lot of perspective). I understand what the law says. I understand should can be prosecuted for violating the letter of the law and even the spirit of the law. It’s still a politically-motivated arrest, and we’re putting Canada in the position of being an abductor. Again, two can play that game. China has their own laws, many of which people might either wittingly or unwittingly break from time to time. If I were an American or Canadian with any level of influence working or living in China right now, I’d be making plans to GTFO, like fast. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/25 "2018-12-20T17:48:27Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I understand what the law says. I understand should can be prosecuted for violating the letter of the law and even the spirit of the law. It’s still a politically-motivated arrest, and we’re putting Canada in the position of being an abductor. > > Again, two can play that game. China has their own laws, many of which people might either wittingly or unwittingly break from time to time. If I were an American or Canadian with any level of influence working or living in China right now, I’d be making plans to GTFO, like fast. It’s not a politically motivated arrest…Trump is trying to make this arrest into a political football to use to leverage the Chinese in the trade war, but it’s NOT a politically motivated arrest. China (or the CCP anyway) thinks EVERYTHING is politically motivated because that’s how their system works. China certainly has it’s own laws, and sets them up so that you have to violate them…and then chooses when or if they will enforce those laws or just ignore them. That’s why that rule of law stuff is some nebulous in China. I agree that if I were Canadian or American in China atm I’d be looking to get out for a while until this blows over…and rethinking whether my long term strategy of being there in any case even when it does, since the CCP has used this tactic in the past and will inevitably do so again in the future as well. Their system is such that they set it up so you WILL break rules…it’s not a matter of wittingly or unwittingly, it’s a matter of will they enforce them or will they ignore them. Mostly, they ignore them…until they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/26 "2018-12-20T18:01:03Z")
While I believe that the DOJ tries to be nonpolitical, I can’t imagine at this level it is completely ignored. They can’t be totally blasé about setting off an incident like this. And frankly, if this had been say Angela Merkel’s stepson I have a hard time believing they wouldn’t have tried a quieter approach over an extradition request. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/27 "2018-12-20T20:31:28Z")
> [@Nanoda](#): > > (And I’d encourage any Canadians of a similar mind to let your representatives know). Yesterday we were fulfilling our responsibilities to US treaties and international law. After [Trump’s comments today saying he’s willing to “intervene”](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46533971), we’re accomplices to a hostage-taking in order to win trade deals. > > Even with the mainly-US angle on the extradition, I was behind the arrest and prepared to understand the coming complications with an angry China. Two Canadians are currently detained in the tit-for-tat, one currently “missing”. I seriously doubt Trump knew about this arrest in advance, but he clearly sees this as a winning bargaining chip in his failing China deals as he says he’s willing to “intervene”. > > Not only is his outrageous action going to cost Canada, but the US’s complete abdication of the previous self-assigned role of defender of democracy leaves us really twisting in the wind. > > I’ve sent emails to my MP and the minister of foreign affairs to let them know that if they should decide to tell the US to pound sand on this issue I’m completely behind them. Did you send emails to your MP demanding that Canada not submit to China’s kidnapping, terror, and extortion? Should any defender of democracy allow themselves to be subjected to kidnapping and extortion in the name of democracy? ---
**Author:** ![Nanoda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Nanoda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanoda)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/28 "2018-12-21T06:04:25Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Did you send emails to your MP demanding that Canada not submit to China’s kidnapping, terror, and extortion? Should any defender of democracy allow themselves to be subjected to kidnapping and extortion in the name of democracy? Of course I didn’t - I trust our elected leaders to deal with China being China regardless of how reprehensible they happen to be on any given day. Merely because the US has historically been the most vocal in proclaiming themselves a democracy, we should ignore Trump flippantly roping us in to a quid-pro-quo? As a defender of democracy, you think Canada should submit to the US’s kidnapping request and hand over a prisoner likely to be traded for political favours? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/29 "2018-12-21T13:07:12Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well, technically Parliament is supreme and if they thought that following the regular rules was playing into some disastrous Trump shenanigans could they not also pass a private bill that basically let her leave the country? Yes, yes treaties but we can let some international council decide how badly we broke the treaty. At some point. > [@CarnalK](#): > > Not saying it’s a good idea, just that it’s possible under Canadian law. Yes, Canada could do that. And that would give the US the grounds to break off the extradition treaty, if it saw fit, which wouldn’t be in either country’s long-term interests. It would also start to raise doubts with other countries about Canada’s reliability and commitment to its freely-assumed treaty obligations. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/30 "2018-12-21T14:13:05Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Yes, Canada could do that. And that would give the US the grounds to break off the extradition treaty, if it saw fit, which wouldn’t be in either country’s long-term interests. > > It would also start to raise doubts with other countries about Canada’s reliability and commitment to its freely-assumed treaty obligations. I hardly think the British or French would start to harbor doubts if we flipped the bird at Trump. And the fact is, if we really thought that Trump was going to use Huawei as a bargaining chip in a trade negotiation we would be perfectly within our rights under the treaty to refuse the extradition. We can refuse a politically motivated request and the treaty doesn’t say we’re required to follow the steps of the Extradition Act to act on that conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/31 "2019-01-27T15:44:27Z")
Interesting developments: - Canadian Ambassador to China commented a couple of times this week, in China, that Meng would have a good legal defence to extradition, since the US request was essentially political; - Canadian Ambassador to China fired by Trudeau (okay, technically, Trudeau “asked him to resign”. Yeah, fired.) A few articles: CBC: [McCallum says Meng has a strong case against extradition. Is he right?](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/john-mccallum-extradition-meng-china-1.4989670) Macleans: [Ambassador John McCallum goes rogue in China](https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/ambassador-john-mccallum-goes-rogue-in-china/) CBC: [China envoy McCallum walks back comments on Meng Wanzhou case](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mccallum-apology-withdraw-remarks-1.4992028) CNN: [Canada’s ambassador to China retracts controversial remarks on Huawei case](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/asia/china-canada-mccallum-huawei-intl/index.html) National Post: [John McCallum forced out as Canada’s ambassador to China after comments on Huawei case](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/john-mccallum-forced-out-as-canadas-ambassador-to-china-after-comments-about-huawei-case) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/32 "2019-01-27T18:35:08Z")
Also, a couple of weeks ago, China sentenced a Canadian drug dealer to death (he previously was only to be imprisoned for 15 years, but China quickly escalated his sentence to death as a tit-for-tat over the Huawei thing.) Highly doubt he’ll actually be executed, but this is becoming hostage politics, as someone put it. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/33 "2019-01-27T19:41:45Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Interesting developments: > > - Canadian Ambassador to China commented a couple of times this week, in China, that Meng would have a good legal defence to extradition, since the US request was essentially political; > > - Canadian Ambassador to China fired by Trudeau (okay, technically, Trudeau “asked him to resign”. Yeah, fired.) > > A few articles: > > CBC: [McCallum says Meng has a strong case against extradition. Is he right?](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/john-mccallum-extradition-meng-china-1.4989670) > > Macleans: [Ambassador John McCallum goes rogue in China](https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/ambassador-john-mccallum-goes-rogue-in-china/) > > CBC: [China envoy McCallum walks back comments on Meng Wanzhou case](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mccallum-apology-withdraw-remarks-1.4992028) > > CNN: [Canada’s ambassador to China retracts controversial remarks on Huawei case](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/asia/china-canada-mccallum-huawei-intl/index.html) > > National Post: [John McCallum forced out as Canada’s ambassador to China after comments on Huawei case](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/john-mccallum-forced-out-as-canadas-ambassador-to-china-after-comments-about-huawei-case) Good move on Trudeau’s part, since it’s kind of a bad thing to have an ambassador spouting the party line from the country he’s in. The whole ‘this is all political!’ is the CCPs line on this. It’s complete bullshit, and not a good thing when your ambassador goes on record as toeing that same line. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/34 "2019-01-27T20:31:14Z")
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**Author:** ![BenedictusXIV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b19c9b/32.png) [@BenedictusXIV](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BenedictusXIV)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/35 "2019-01-27T23:21:39Z")
So what is the deal with Huawey? Is their spysoftware incompatible with our spysoftware? If it’s such a clear-cut case, why aren’t we getting any hard facts or solid evidence? Instead all over the world countries don’t want to include Huawey anymore in biddings because…well, it could be. To me the whole thing sounds like a negative add/libel campaign gone out of control (or maybe better than expected, depending on who you ask). ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/36 "2019-01-28T00:04:32Z")
> [@BenedictusXIV](#): > > So what is the deal with Huawey? Is their spysoftware incompatible with our spysoftware? > If it’s such a clear-cut case, why aren’t we getting any hard facts or solid evidence? Instead all over the world countries don’t want to include Huawey anymore in biddings because…well, it could be. > > To me the whole thing sounds like a negative add/libel campaign gone out of control (or maybe better than expected, depending on who you ask). You are conflating two different stories. Western countries are excluding Huawey (the company) from national internet infrastructure upgrades because they don’t trust them not to give the Chinese government backdoors and snooping abilities. There’s no criminal case there for evidence to be presented. Huawey was arrested on suspicion of violating banking rules and the US sanctions on Iran. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/37 "2019-01-28T00:16:02Z")
> [@BenedictusXIV](#): > > So what is the deal with Huawey? Is their spysoftware incompatible with our spysoftware? > If it’s such a clear-cut case, why aren’t we getting any hard facts or solid evidence? Instead all over the world countries don’t want to include Huawey anymore in biddings because…well, it could be. > > To me the whole thing sounds like a negative add/libel campaign gone out of control (or maybe better than expected, depending on who you ask). You may find [this](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bloomberg.com_news_features_2018-2D10-2D04_the-2Dbig-2Dhack-2Dhow-2Dchina-2Dused-2Da-2Dtiny-2Dchip-2Dto-2Dinfiltrate-2Damerica-2Ds-2Dtop-2Dcompanies&d=DwMFaQ&c=0hCx1u36-XAMUG1zdNEI2VR5Zeej6Q9MkDa5wSI1xHs&r=idYik6y8kL3-g0wLIhUQzNsGw6cI4vVRp-TXjGGgVF4&m=O8_tfj8bZ2NsDUqkOb2rz7JS0vswjZP8wd75cFDsSf0&s=aCrlSCgb0OS6m2pva7I41NSkDPIb9xg6gqKIw-wjWEU&e=) interesting and, I hope, informative. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/38 "2019-01-28T00:39:58Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > You may find [this](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bloomberg.com_news_features_2018-2D10-2D04_the-2Dbig-2Dhack-2Dhow-2Dchina-2Dused-2Da-2Dtiny-2Dchip-2Dto-2Dinfiltrate-2Damerica-2Ds-2Dtop-2Dcompanies&d=DwMFaQ&c=0hCx1u36-XAMUG1zdNEI2VR5Zeej6Q9MkDa5wSI1xHs&r=idYik6y8kL3-g0wLIhUQzNsGw6cI4vVRp-TXjGGgVF4&m=O8_tfj8bZ2NsDUqkOb2rz7JS0vswjZP8wd75cFDsSf0&s=aCrlSCgb0OS6m2pva7I41NSkDPIb9xg6gqKIw-wjWEU&e=) interesting and, I hope, informative. Or, [this](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/huawei-china-us-5g-technology.html) (from today’s NYT) ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/39 "2019-01-28T00:59:04Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > You may find [this](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bloomberg.com_news_features_2018-2D10-2D04_the-2Dbig-2Dhack-2Dhow-2Dchina-2Dused-2Da-2Dtiny-2Dchip-2Dto-2Dinfiltrate-2Damerica-2Ds-2Dtop-2Dcompanies&d=DwMFaQ&c=0hCx1u36-XAMUG1zdNEI2VR5Zeej6Q9MkDa5wSI1xHs&r=idYik6y8kL3-g0wLIhUQzNsGw6cI4vVRp-TXjGGgVF4&m=O8_tfj8bZ2NsDUqkOb2rz7JS0vswjZP8wd75cFDsSf0&s=aCrlSCgb0OS6m2pva7I41NSkDPIb9xg6gqKIw-wjWEU&e=) interesting and, I hope, informative. …a rebuttal from Amazon. > [@](#): > > There are so many inaccuracies in ‎this article as it relates to Amazon that they’re hard to count. > **[Setting the Record Straight on Bloomberg BusinessWeek’s Erroneous Article |...](https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/setting-the-record-straight-on-bloomberg-businessweeks-erroneous-article/)** > > Today, Bloomberg BusinessWeek published a story claiming that AWS was aware of modified hardware or malicious chips in SuperMicro motherboards in Elemental Media’s hardware at the time Amazon acquired Elemental in 2015, and that Amazon was aware of... Tim Cook from Apple asking Bloomberg to retract: > [@](#): > > “I personally talked to the Bloomberg reporters along with Bruce Sewell, who was then our general counsel. We were very clear with them that this did not happen, and answered all their questions,” said Cook. “Each time they brought this up to us, the story changed, and each time we investigated we found nothing.” > **[Apple CEO Tim Cook Is Calling For Bloomberg To Retract Its Chinese Spy Chip...](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/apple-tim-cook-bloomberg-retraction)** > > "I feel they should retract their story. There is no truth in their story about Apple. They need to do the right thing." A twitter thread from Swift on Security with a summary of reactions to the Bloomberg story. None of them good. > ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031/40 "2019-01-28T01:19:21Z")
**Banquet Bear** - fair enough, but [today’s NYT piece](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/huawei-china-us-5g-technology.html) seems very balanced and is hardly reassuring, let alone exonerating. > **[In 5G Race With China, U.S. Pushes Allies to Fight Huawei (Published 2019)](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/huawei-china-us-5g-technology.html)** > > With 5G networks about to remake the internet, the Trump administration fears decisions made in the next six months on China’s role will resonate for decades. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-huawei-comments-turn-canada-in-to-a-hostage-taking-accomplice-and-im-pissed/826031.md?page=3)