# Trump's Immigration Proposal **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 17, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082 "2015-08-17T16:07:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/101 "2015-08-19T15:18:23Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Fifty-four percent (54%) of voters disagree with the current federal policy that says a child born to an illegal immigrant here is automatically a U.S. citizen. “Current federal policy”? _The Constitution Of The United States Of America_. Not “current”-_Always._ ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/102 "2015-08-19T15:28:26Z")
There is not going to be an end to birthright citizenship and there won’t be any mass deportations. E-verify is likely to happen as part of any immigration bill, same as earned amnesty. The wall might get built, this is obviously a massive waste of money aimed at appeasing morons. Mexico will not pay for a single cent of it and there won’t be any repercussions. Honestly anyone who expects the immigration issue to be solved better get used to accepting something that looks almost exactly like what passed the senate last time, because that is what it is going to look like. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/103 "2015-08-19T20:54:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Then that would mean that foreign embassy staff that have babies here are giving birth to American citizens. I don’t know. I wonder what would happen if a foreign embassy worker, having given birth in a U.S. hospital, insisted on citizenship rights for her child. The foreign embassy worker: doesn’t pay taxes and is immune to our laws (diplomatic immunity.) The illegal immigrant does pay taxes and is not immune to our laws. You’re mixing two very different cases, treating them as identical. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/104 "2015-08-20T04:01:26Z")
Okay, but you’ve already agreed that “jurisdiction” involves more than just being here. And immune to our laws is not exactly accurate. Diplomatic immunity just means that we send people back home for violating our laws, we don’t try them and imprison them. It would actually be very easy to simply state that all foreign nationals will be treated the same way: if you break our laws, no trial, we just send you home as persona non grata. ---
**Author:** ![Hiker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3be4f8/32.png) [@Hiker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiker)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/105 "2015-08-20T07:22:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Okay, but you’ve already agreed that “jurisdiction” involves more than just being here. And immune to our laws is not exactly accurate. Diplomatic immunity just means that we send people back home for violating our laws, we don’t try them and imprison them. It would actually be very easy to simply state that all foreign nationals will be treated the same way: if you break our laws, no trial, we just send you home as persona non grata. Would it? So if for example the Boston bombers had been, let’s say Syrian nationals, you would suggest to not try them and put them on a plane to Damascus instead? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/106 "2015-08-20T15:08:11Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > What we have here is centuries of _natives_ who have never been integrated into the life of the country. Our fail, not Europe’s. I’m guessing you’ve never talked to any Gypsies and I suspect many Jews would laugh hysterically at the idea that they were “integrated” into Poland, Hungary, Russia etc. Beyond that the “Arabs” and “North Africans” not accepted as “real” Frenchmen are “natives” who’ve been living ther for three generations. To me, the difference between someone who’s lived in a country for three generations or three centuries is nil. None of what Ivd said is meant to gloss over the U.S. Treatment of minorities. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/107 "2015-08-20T20:52:38Z")
> [@Hiker](#): > > Would it? So if for example the Boston bombers had been, let’s say Syrian nationals, you would suggest to not try them and put them on a plane to Damascus instead? Grin! If they’re not subject to our jurisdiction, how are we supposed to detain them and deport them? If we can detain and deport them, that proves they are subject to our jurisdiction! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/108 "2015-08-21T11:19:13Z")
Trump supporters savagely beat homeless undocumented immigrant, because “Donald Trump was right. [All these illegals need to be deported](http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/politics/donald-trump-immigration-boston-beating/index.html).” > [@](#): > > While the Republican front-runner had not heard about the particular incident when reporters asked him about before a town hall event Wednesday night, he nonetheless said it would “be a shame.” But he didn’t stop there, as he quickly went to applaud those who echo his views. > > “I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate,” Trump said. “They love this country, they want this country to be great again.” Perhaps he could buy them some nice, brown shirts too. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/109 "2015-08-21T15:45:40Z")
Whenever I here about a wall, I picture something along the lines of the Great Wall of China. Am I the only one who gets this mental picture? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/110 "2015-08-21T16:40:35Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Whenever I here about a wall, I picture something along the lines of the Great Wall of China. Am I the only one who gets this mental picture? No. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/111 "2015-08-21T19:51:43Z")
My mental picture is more along the lines of the Berlin Wall. The Great Wall of China is pretty. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/112 "2015-08-25T04:11:22Z")
Just had to share [this](http://img.scoop.it/dD8l-bgQzXZb0XrsoBXTnDl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVvK0kTmF0xjctABnaLJIm9). It’s a picture of Bobby Jindal with this caption: > [@Bobby Jindal](#): > > We have to end birthright citizenship to stop anchor babies. Says Republican Bobby Jindal, whose non-citizen parents arrived in the U.S. four months before he was born, and used his birthright citizenship to become Americans, making him an anchor baby. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/113 "2015-08-25T04:38:19Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Just had to share [this](http://img.scoop.it/dD8l-bgQzXZb0XrsoBXTnDl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVvK0kTmF0xjctABnaLJIm9). > > It’s a picture of Bobby Jindal with this caption: > > Says Republican Bobby Jindal, whose non-citizen parents arrived in the U.S. four months before he was born, and used his birthright citizenship to become Americans, making him an anchor baby. AFAIU, his parents were legal immigrants - so they had no need to “use his birthright citizenship to become Americans”. If you have any info that they were illegal immigrants, please bring it. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/114 "2015-08-25T05:32:11Z")
**Terr** : The story didn’t say they were illegal. They just were not U.S. citizens, and used their baby’s citizenship to obtain citizenship for themselves. Anchor babies apply to legal immigrants, too. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/115 "2015-08-25T05:35:00Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > **Terr** : The story didn’t say they were illegal. They just were not U.S. citizens, and used their baby’s citizenship to obtain citizenship for themselves. How? They were legal immigrants. Whether they had a baby or not, they would get citizenship through the same process. Exactly how did they “use their baby’s citizenship”? > [@](#): > > Anchor babies apply to legal immigrants, too. Explain how. Once you’re a legal immigrant, you’re in the process (I know, I went through the process) and you will get your citizenship in X years. Whether with a baby or without one. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/116 "2015-08-25T17:25:45Z")
I, for one, am perfectly willing to absolve Mr. Jindal of any such accusations. That this may vault him into the front ranks of Republican contenders is a prospect I am prepared to face with courage and calm dignity. ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/117 "2015-08-25T19:52:57Z")
After Mr. Trump deports all the illegal immigrants, he will find that his hotel rooms are no longer being cleaned, and his golf courses no longer mowed. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/118 "2015-09-01T02:32:26Z")
[Shock Poll: 59% Back Trump On Deportation of Illegals](http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/083115-768970-more-than-half-support-mandatory-deportation-of-illegal-immigrants-poll-finds.htm) The latest IBD/TIPP Poll asked 913 adults coast to coast if they “support or oppose mandatory deportation of illegal immigrants in the U.S.” Not surprisingly, 87% of Trump supporters back the proposal. What’s surprising is that 59% of the overall public does as well. Mandatory deportation gets majority support in all age groups except 18-24, every income group, among both women and men, at every level of educational achievement, and in rural, urban and suburban regions. More interesting still is the fact that 64% of independents and 55% of moderates support deportation. Even among Hispanics, the poll found 40% backed mandatory deportation — although the sample size is too small to make much of that number. Trump’s other proposals don’t do as well. Just under half the public favors building a wall along the southern border (48%) or an end to automatic citizenship for children born of illegals (46%). But a majority of independents (55%) back building the wall. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/119 "2015-09-01T02:38:20Z")
Given how the question was asked I"m actually shocked it wasn’t 90%. “Forced deportation” is the law. You might as well ask people if they favor forced tax collection. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082/120 "2015-09-01T03:52:56Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Whenever I here about a wall, I picture something along the lines of the Great Wall of China. Am I the only one who gets this mental picture? Didn’t stop the Toba, didn’t stop the Mongols, didn’t stop the Manchurians . . . what was that wall built for again? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-immigration-proposal/728082.md?page=7)