# Trump's indictment--does it matter? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [June 9, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251 "2023-06-09T16:21:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/221 "2023-06-12T21:12:54Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Judge Cannon will likely be recused or removed- that is my prediction. On what grounds? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/222 "2023-06-12T21:13:48Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > My only conclusion is that Smith expected to get Judge Cannon. … Maybe not “expected” as much as “prepared for,” in the sense that he didn’t know which judge would be assigned, but he prepared for the worst. If another judge was assigned, great; but if it was Judge Cannon, he’d be well-prepared to bring the matter before her. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/223 "2023-06-12T21:15:18Z")
I don’t think the mishandling of documents case is “the big one”. The big one is the solicitation of election tampering case in Georgia state court. Note the word “state”; it’s important because Georgia is essentially a purple state, judging by how it voted in 2020. Not particularly inclined to go either way; in other words, a battleground state. So if a Georgia grand jury indicts Trump, the suggestion that Democrats in general or President Biden in particular is weaponizing the machinery of government to attack him. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/224 "2023-06-12T21:15:20Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > On what grounds? Favoritism. She might do it herself, if she is smart. I bet the Feds try to do this. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/225 "2023-06-12T21:18:03Z")
Is there something in the law that says a judge can be removed for that? ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/226 "2023-06-12T21:23:11Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Assuming Trump does win and the gloves come fully off, there won’t be any kind of judge except Trumpist judges real soon. Any other kind will be retired- or ex-judges. Or dead. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/227 "2023-06-12T21:24:33Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Is there something in the law that says a judge can be removed for that? [How to Make a Motion to Recuse a Judge in California - Shouse Law Group](https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/process/motion-to-recuse-judge/#:~:text=A%20motion%20to%20recuse%20is,or%20in%20a%20criminal%20trial). Now yeah, that is CA, but the procedure is common. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/228 "2023-06-12T21:32:38Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > On what grounds? [would the judge recuse herself] > > Favoritism. She might do it herself, if she is smart. > > I bet the Feds try to do this. I can’t emphasize enough how patently ridiculous this sounds. > [@DrDeth](#): > > the procedure is common. It is **not** common to request a federal judge to recuse herself from a case. Especially on the grounds that she once ruled a certain way. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/229 "2023-06-12T21:54:44Z")
Your cite demonstrates that a procedure is in place. That is beyond dispute. I am more interested in evidence that it is commonly used and much more importantly that it’s successful. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/230 "2023-06-12T22:12:17Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > I don’t think the mishandling of documents case is “the big one”. The big one is the solicitation of election tampering case in Georgia state court. Agreed. I think this indictment will matter most. Others willl say January 6 was a bigger Trump sin, and I’m not sure they are mistaken. But in terms of a direct attempt at election stealing, without intermediaries, Georgia stands out. > [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > So if a Georgia grand jury indicts Trump, the suggestion that Democrats in general or President Biden in particular is weaponizing the machinery of government to attack him . . . It’s normal for defendants and their friends to make nasty arguments when good ones are lacking, so you can’t stop those weaponizing charges. As [Carl Sandberg wrote](https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/07/04/legal-adage/): > [@](#): > > "If the law is against you, talk about the evidence,” said a battered barrister “If the evidence is against you, talk about the law, and, since you ask me, if the law and the evidence are both against you, then pound on the table and yell like hell” And the Georgia angle may not help in the way you hope. News reports say that charges are likely to be filed in heavily Democratic Fulton County by DA Fani T. Willis, who happens to be Black: [Georgia Prosecutor Signals August Timetable for Charges in Trump Inquiry](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/us/trump-georgia-fani-willis.html) > [@](#): > > The Fulton County district attorney said most of her staff would work remotely at times, and asked judges not to schedule trials, in the first half of August. > > The Georgia prosecutor leading an investigation into former President Donald J. Trump and his allies has taken the unusual step of announcing remote work days for most of her staff during the first three weeks of August, asking judges in a downtown Atlanta courthouse not to schedule trials for part of that time as she prepares to bring charges in the inquiry. > > The moves suggest that Fani T. Willis, the Fulton County district attorney, is expecting a grand jury to unseal indictments during that time period. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/231 "2023-06-12T23:35:35Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I am more interested in evidence that it is commonly used and much more importantly that it’s successful. I did not claim it is commonly _used,_ i meant it is common procedure among the states, every state has some version. I will bet the Feds try it. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/232 "2023-06-13T12:13:05Z")
It seems the indictment has him more unhinged and dangerous than usual (and, by extension, his followers). All caps is how Trump wrote it: > **Trump vows to ‘go after’ Biden’s family in bitter Truth Social rant before boarding Miami arraignment jet** > > “I WILL APPOINT A REAL SPECIAL ‘PROSECUTOR’ TO GO AFTER THE MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA, JOE BIDEN, THE ENTIRE BIDEN CRIME FAMILY, & ALL OTHERS INVOLVED WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ELECTIONS, BORDERS, & COUNTRY ITSELF!” fumed Mr Trump in an all-caps rant posted around noon. - [SOURCE](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-trump-arraignment-truth-social-b2356353.html) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/233 "2023-06-13T12:22:55Z")
More corrupt than Hillary Clinton?? Say it isn’t so! 😱 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/234 "2023-06-13T12:24:06Z")
Early this AM in an airport I walked past some TVs spread around the building. All tuned to Fox News. Over several minutes of seeing brief snippets the top headline of the day was Hunter Biden’s laptop. In fact the only headline of the day was that laptop. No other newsworthy stories had come to their attention. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/235 "2023-06-13T12:41:23Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It seems the indictment has him more unhinged and dangerous than usual (and, by extension, his followers). > > All caps is how Trump wrote it: It’s good to see his unwavering stand against weaponizing the Justice Department. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/236 "2023-06-13T12:53:28Z")
Michael Popok has an 11 minute video on Meidastouch where he outlines his reasoning (based on the court clerk issuing the assignment being in Miami, not Fort Pierce where Cannon is) for thinking Cannon is acting simply as a magistrate judge for the purposes of the arraignment, and the case will ultimately be assigned to a judge in Miami, or would likely recuse herself. [Jack Smith has PLAN to DEAL with CORRUPT Judge Aileen Cannon - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn0L67s9iWg) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/237 "2023-06-13T14:12:26Z")
For those who enjoy the YouTube channel LegalEagle he has a new one out about the indictment: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/7KRceywz-rU/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump's Bombshell Federal Document Indictment") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KRceywz-rU) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/238 "2023-06-13T16:02:55Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Over several minutes of seeing brief snippets the top headline of the day was Hunter Biden’s laptop. Wait, what? Hunter Biden had a laptop? Why am I just hearing about this now? Seriously, though, I thought the last “news” about the laptop was that Rudy wouldn’t turn over the hard drive. Has something happened recently? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/239 "2023-06-13T16:07:27Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Has something happened recently? Yes. Trump is finally catching some shit, and they’re desperate to distract their flock from this event. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251/240 "2023-06-13T16:15:36Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Has something happened recently? It’s _breathtaking_. (As in, you might react as a dead person would - not at all) > [@](#): > > Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, made a stunning claim Monday that a Burisma executive who allegedly paid $5 million in a Biden bribery scheme maintained audio recordings of calls with the family as an “insurance policy.” On [“Fox & Friends First”](https://www.foxnews.com/shows/fox-friends-first) Tuesday, former acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker discussed the “explosive” developments days after the FBI turned over a document to Congress that allegedly detailed a criminal scheme involving then-Vice President Biden. > **[Burisma audio tapes could be 'cataclysmic event' for President Biden, Matt...](https://www.foxnews.com/media/burisma-audio-tapes-cataclysmic-event-president-biden-matt-whitaker-says)** > > Former acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker unpacks the "explosive" claim from Sen. Chuck Grassley that a Burisma executive kept audio recordings of calls with the Bidens. And if you got a whiff of the _other_ news of the day, don’t worry; ole Foxy’s got you covered, > **[Trump indictment turns 2024 election upside down, but not the way Democrats hope](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-indictment-turns-2024-election-upside-down-not-way-democrats-hope)** > > Half the country thinks Trump's indictment was politically motivated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-indictment-does-it-matter/985251.md?page=13)