# Trump's neurological health - a rational discussion please **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 2, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379 "2019-07-02T03:10:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/181 "2019-09-05T01:36:49Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > So today on TV, Trump showed a National Weather Service map of Dorian’s projected path. The map was out of date. And someone, likely Trump, had used a Sharpie to crudely extend the landfall projection cone into Alabama. This map was offered as evidence that Trump’s earlier warning to Alabama was based on what the NWS had told him at the time. > > I kinda think this transparent charade weighs on the side of “mentally deficient liar” rather than “dementia patient”. As painfully stupid as it is, it does show the ability to recall past events and make a coherent plan to cover them up. Sure, the plan was laughable and only made things worse, but **there was some organized thinking behind it. This strikes me as the work of a stunningly ignorant and dishonest > asshole, but not a person with a neurological disorder.** Oh, I don’t know. I watched his presentation and it reminded me of two things: A 6-year-old trying to get away with something when he knew he’d been caught, and using one of the old [Canadian World Domination maps](http://www.standingonguard.com/cart3.html). Hilarious satire from yesteryear but not so funny when it’s your “president” and you watch him go through the process as he starts to take his own bullshit seriously. I don’t know if he’s a psychopath, a sociopath, dementia-addled, a dumbass who is corrupt to the bone or any/all of the aforementioned, but it doesn’t take a licensed clinician to see there is something deeply wrong with him. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/182 "2019-09-05T01:44:52Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > So today on TV, Trump showed a National Weather Service map of Dorian’s projected path. The map was out of date. And someone, likely Trump, had used a Sharpie to crudely extend the landfall projection cone into Alabama. This map was offered as evidence that Trump’s earlier warning to Alabama was based on what the NWS had told him at the time. > > I kinda think this transparent charade weighs on the side of “mentally deficient liar” rather than “dementia patient”. As painfully stupid as it is, it does show the ability to recall past events and make a coherent plan to cover them up. Sure, the plan was laughable and only made things worse, but there was some organized thinking behind it. This strikes me as the work of a stunningly ignorant and dishonest > asshole, but not a person with a neurological disorder. One of the articles on this notes that it’s illegal to knowingly disseminate a false weather prediction map. Surely the president is subject to actual laws right? We’re not talking here about declassifying something on the fly, or security or something else, but an actual law that he broke. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/183 "2019-09-05T01:53:49Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I don’t know if he’s a psychopath, a sociopath, dementia-addled, a dumbass who is corrupt to the bone or any/all of the aforementioned, but it doesn’t take a licensed clinician to see there is something deeply wrong with him. He is a real estate salesman. Lying about everything comes naturally to him. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/184 "2019-09-05T02:52:09Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Surely the president is subject to actual laws right? Unfortunately, it would appear he’s not. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/185 "2019-09-05T04:56:01Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > The only surprising thing about that incident is that it wasn’t done with green crayon. Crayons are a choking hazard. Trump’s handlers know he can’t fit a whole Sharpie in his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/186 "2019-09-05T12:58:31Z")
Remember that time Obama said that he had visited 57 states, and when he was called on it, doubled down and showed reporters a map with hand-drawn lines dividing California, Texas and Alaska in half, with a new island doodled in the Gulf of Mexico, and how the US flag in the Oval Office suddenly had seven glittery new stars glued onto it? And how everybody in the public, the media and government just laughed it off, saying “heh heh, that’s classic Obama for you!” Man, I miss those times. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/187 "2019-09-05T16:40:42Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > One of the articles on this notes that it’s illegal to **knowingly** disseminate a false weather prediction map. > Surely the president is subject to actual laws right? > We’re not talking here about declassifying something on the fly, or security or something else, but an actual law that he broke. My bold. I, acting as Trump’s lawyer, would merely reply that my client knows nothing, and therefore all charges should be dropped. 🙂 Once again, this is not a sign of dementia, just par for the course for the dumbest, and more important, biggest liar, of a national leader in the history of ever. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/188 "2019-09-06T19:36:01Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > See below. And, the difference in what you say above is that in addition to a banner, there will be an actual impeachment _ **trial** _. Mitch McConnell is still GOP leader in a GOP Senate, yes? Then what makes you think they’d be anything as quaint as an impeachment trial? :dubious: > [@U.S. Constitution](#): > > [The President] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, To which McConnell’s response regarding judicial appointments by President Obama was, effectively, that nothing in the Constitution requires that the Senate provide that advice or consent. > [@U.S. Constitution](#): > > The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. Nothing in that provision says the Senate must try any impeachment, only that it has the power to try impeachments. You could argue that tradition or custom supports holding a trial on a House impeachment, but IMHO the proof of how far that would go in the GOP Senate is Supreme Court Justice Garland. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/189 "2019-09-06T20:00:54Z")
A thread about Trump’s neurological health seems a good place to ponder the sanity, the rationality of a decision like this one: New York (CNN Business)The Justice Department has opened an antitrust investigation into four major automakers who have rejected the Trump administration’s relaxed air pollution and mileage regulations. The four automakers — Ford ([F](https://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=F&source=story_quote_link)), Honda ([HMC](https://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=HMC&source=story_quote_link)), Volkswagen and BMW — agreed in July to [meet the tougher standards](https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/business/ford-honda-volkswagen-bmw-emissions-deal-california/index.html) set by the California Air Resources Board rather than the Trump administration’s rules, which would roll back standards put in place under former President Barack Obama. > **[Four automakers bucked Trump policy on emissions. Now they are under...](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/business/automakers-antitrust-investigation/index.html)** > > The Justice Department has started an antitrust investigation against the four major automakers who have agreed to continue to meet California's more stringent air pollution and mileage regulations, rather than following the Trump administration's... Not stable, not rational, not sane. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/190 "2019-09-06T22:52:37Z")
The man is having a psychotic episode as I type this, and has been having this episode for days. Anyone debating the other side of this is purposely not paying attention. My $.02 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/191 "2019-09-06T23:43:53Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The man is having a psychotic episode as I type this, and has been having this episode for days. Anyone debating the other side of this is purposely not paying attention. > > My $.02 +1 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/192 "2019-09-06T23:52:27Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The man is having a psychotic episode as I type this, and has been having this episode for days. Anyone debating the other side of this is purposely not paying attention. > > My $.02 > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > +1 Trump’s psychotic episode is going to involve the entire government, potentially. He’s got NOAA to throw the Birmingham National Weather Service under the bus, in an attempt to “prove” that Trump’s 100%-wrong Sunday remarks were actually correct (they weren’t) : > [@](#): > > The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) released a statement Friday evening disavowing a days-old tweet from the National Weather Service that contradicted President Trump over the reach of Hurricane Dorian. > > The NOAA statement, which was unsigned and posted to the agency’s website on Friday, said that the “Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.”… [https://thehill.com/news-by-subject/energy-environment/460315-noaa-releases-statement-saying-it-told-trump-hurricane](https://thehill.com/news-by-subject/energy-environment/460315-noaa-releases-statement-saying-it-told-trump-hurricane) As the same source notes, Trump had gotten a Rear Admiral to back up his “I was right nanny nanny boo boo” claims on the day before. Of course the Rear Admiral probably had his fingers crossed behind his, er, rear, while spouting the mendacious remarks. Trump will shut down the entire government unless CNN, MSNBC and the rest start broadcasting _ **The Dear Leader Was Completely Right And We Were Completely Wrong** _ messages post haste. He might even resort to nuclear strikes. Would that surprise anyone? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/193 "2019-09-07T00:07:15Z")
I have zero doubt that Trump wishes the fucking thing had hit Alabama. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/194 "2019-09-07T01:15:18Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I have zero doubt that Trump wishes the fucking thing had hit Alabama. If Hannity has Trump’s back the way I think he does, we can expect to see some doctored footage of ‘Dorian’s devastation of Alabama’ in an upcoming show. I mean, what does Sean care? It’s not as though he has a journalistic reputation to protect. Reality is whatever they say it is … right? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/195 "2019-09-07T01:38:05Z")
Trump is used to not having his business minions correct him, and he doesn’t know how to deal with being mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/196 "2019-09-07T13:14:39Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Trump is used to not having his business minions correct him, and he doesn’t know how to deal with being mistaken. His fans know how to deal-- do like their hero does: 1) double down, 2) keep talking about it, and and 3) make money from it: > [@](#): > > President Trump’s reelection campaign has started selling branded permanent markers following controversy this week over a map Trump displayed that apparently was altered with a black marker to back up his claims about Hurricane Dorian’s original path > > “Set the record straight!” reads the marker’s description on the Trump campaign website. > > The fine-point markers, emblazoned with Trump’s signature in gold, use permanent ink and are made in America, the product description states. > > Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale tweeted a photo of the markers on Friday, writing: “Buy the official Trump marker, which is different than every other marker on the market, because this one has the special ability to drive @CNN and the rest of the fake news crazy! #KeepMarkersGreat.” > > Parscale tweeted later in the day, “Hundreds of sets already sold!” > … > [linky](https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAGUSYn?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/197 "2019-09-07T14:39:25Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > A thread about Trump’s neurological health seems a good place to ponder the sanity, the rationality of a decision like this one: > > New York (CNN Business)The Justice Department has opened an antitrust investigation into four major automakers who have rejected the Trump administration’s relaxed air pollution and mileage regulations. > > The four automakers — Ford ([F](https://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=F&source=story_quote_link)), Honda ([HMC](https://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=HMC&source=story_quote_link)), Volkswagen and BMW — agreed in July to [meet the tougher standards](https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/business/ford-honda-volkswagen-bmw-emissions-deal-california/index.html) set by the California Air Resources Board rather than the Trump administration’s rules, which would roll back standards put in place under former President Barack Obama. > [https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/business/automakers-antitrust-investigation/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/business/automakers-antitrust-investigation/index.html) > > Not stable, not rational, not sane. “Which would roll back standards put in place under former President Barack Obama”. This is pretty much all we need to know. Trump can’t stand that Barack is such a better man than he is. There is no comparison. So, like the school yard bully that he is, he attacks the man instead of trying to make good choices of his own. No doubt Ford, Honda, BMW and especially VW are making a business decision, not an environmental one. It’s easier to tool up for what is required in CA, and sell the same cars everywhere. Instead of having a special roll out for CA, and a different one for everywhere else. Not to mention that they could say “We are doing the right thing” is a good business decision for them from a sales perspective. Trump can’t stand it. Someone is doing something right. Something he can’t seem to manage to do. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/198 "2019-09-07T14:48:15Z")
This article uses a lot of anonymous sources, so some caution is in order. But it claims his closest advisers think he’s "“losing his shit” and he often acts like a “four year old”. The article says he’s rapidly deteriorating, and Mapgate has had a significant negative impact on him. [https://amp.businessinsider.com/trump-aides-worried-about-mental-state-alabama-hurricane-dorian-2019-9?\_\_twitter\_impression=true](https://amp.businessinsider.com/trump-aides-worried-about-mental-state-alabama-hurricane-dorian-2019-9?__twitter_impression=true) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/199 "2019-09-07T15:16:53Z")
The Mooch is saying the same thing. Whether it’s just his opinion from Trump-watching, or he’s relying on inside sources, is not clear. > **[Anthony Scaramucci Says Trump's Team Are Hiding President's Mental Decline](https://www.newsweek.com/scaramucci-trump-cnn-mental-health-1457555)** > > Former White House communications director tells CNN that Republicans need to step in and stop the U.S. president for the good of the nation. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379/200 "2019-09-07T15:26:18Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > This article uses a lot of anonymous sources, so some caution is in order. But it claims his closest advisers think he’s "“losing his shit” and he often acts like a “four year old”. The article says he’s rapidly deteriorating, and Mapgate has had a significant negative impact on him. > > [Trump aides are worried about mental state following erratic behavior](https://amp.businessinsider.com/trump-aides-worried-about-mental-state-alabama-hurricane-dorian-2019-9?__twitter_impression=true) Why is some caution in order? It’s not as if we can’t see it happening before our eyes. It’s not as if he hasn’t been acting like a four year old all along. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-neurological-health-a-rational-discussion-please/836379.md?page=11)