# Trump's ongoing collusion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 20, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196 "2018-02-20T13:39:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/1 "2018-02-20T13:39:03Z")
What does it take? Every time he broaches the subject of Russia he is colluding with him. He is fully cooperating with their effort to interfere with the democratic process, he is covering up their illegal activities. There’s no need to prove prior coordination between Trump and Putin, there’s no need for it to exist, just as in a criminal conspiracy they are both acting in furtherance of a crime. And he is not alone, that little rat Nunes, Ryan, McConnell, and all the rest of the usual suspects are participating as well. Why are we sleeping while this continues? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/2 "2018-02-20T14:35:21Z")
But there was \*no \*collusion. He tweets that, _in capitals_, every night from his porcelain throne. So it must be true. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/3 "2018-02-20T14:40:11Z")
Crooked Donnie! ---
**Author:** ![FreedomRider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/85f322/32.png) [@FreedomRider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FreedomRider)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/4 "2018-02-20T14:43:03Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > What does it take? Every time he broaches the subject of Russia he is colluding with him. He is fully cooperating with their effort to interfere with the democratic process, he is covering up their illegal activities. There’s no need to prove prior coordination between Trump and Putin, there’s no need for it to exist, just as in a criminal conspiracy they are both acting in furtherance of a crime. And he is not alone, that little rat Nunes, Ryan, McConnell, and all the rest of the usual suspects are participating as well. Why are we sleeping while this continues? That’s the million dollar question - why are we sleeping? We were asleep during the 2016 election that’s for sure. What it comes down to is simple apathy. People are lazy. It will take a full on Constitutional crisis to awaken them, and then it may be too late. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/5 "2018-02-20T14:50:31Z")
Hey, Vlad told Donnie that nothing happened, and Donnie (the MOST perceptive judge of character around) believes him. What more do you want? END THIS WITCHHUNT NOW!!! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/6 "2018-02-20T16:51:29Z")
Trump even tricked Michael Moore into colluding with Russia! Moore appeared at the covertly Russian-funded\* anti-Trump rally in New York on November 12, unwittingly supporting the goals and aims of Vladimir Putin! The outrage! - Per Mr. Mueller’s indictment. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/7 "2018-02-20T17:03:04Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Hey, Vlad told Donnie that nothing happened, and Donnie (the MOST perceptive judge of character around) believes him. Even Dubya did: > [@George W. Bush](#): > > I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul. He’s a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that’s the beginning of a very constructive relationship. Something about Pooty-Poot makes it easy for him to fool Republican Presidents. ---
**Author:** ![somepumpkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@somepumpkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/somepumpkin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/8 "2018-02-20T17:31:58Z")
> [@FreedomRider](#): > > That’s the million dollar question - why are we sleeping? We were asleep during the 2016 election that’s for sure. What it comes down to is simple apathy. People are lazy. It will take a full on Constitutional crisis to awaken them, and then it may be too late. We’ll see. And don’t forget gullible. And selfish. And xenophobic. It’s playin’ right into his little hands! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/9 "2018-02-20T17:48:28Z")
Just about every other tweet (how did we get to a place where the President ‘tweets’) trump claims - NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION! “I’m innocent, just don’t search the closet!” He uses exclamation marks like a school girl coming back from her first field trip. He’s as grounded as a 5 year old boy chasing leaves in the yard on a windy day. Every person that voted for this obviously unstable ‘man’ has some ownership of this mess. Every. One. Of. Them. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/10 "2018-02-20T17:54:21Z")
What do you expect us to do? As long as it’s a Republican Congress metaphorically standing guard outside Trump’s bedroom as he metaphorically rapes the Constitution there’s nothing we can do other than make sure there’s a changing of the guard in November. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/11 "2018-02-20T18:45:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Even Dubya did: Something about Pooty-Poot makes it easy for him to fool Republican Presidents. ‘I’ll have more flexibility after the election’ - not a Republican President ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/12 "2018-02-20T18:46:15Z")
Obama was talking about, well, people like you. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/13 "2018-02-20T19:10:58Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > ‘I’ll have more flexibility after the election’ - not a Republican President Serious question. If one of the people who are already cooperating with the FBI outlines illegal activities within the Trump campaign and directly implicates Trump himself, will you change your mind? Are you willing to plant a flag somewhere ahead of time, or is it all just justification after the fact? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/14 "2018-02-20T19:15:06Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Serious question. If one of the people who are already cooperating with the FBI outlines illegal activities within the Trump campaign and directly implicates Trump himself, will you change your mind? Are you willing to plant a flag somewhere ahead of time, or is it all just justification after the fact? It’s cute when they still believe in Republican good-faith… ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/15 "2018-02-20T19:16:57Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Serious question. If one of the people who are already cooperating with the FBI outlines illegal activities within the Trump campaign and directly implicates Trump himself, will you change your mind? Are you willing to plant a flag somewhere ahead of time, or is it all just justification after the fact? If there is clear and convincing evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election, I’ll support his impeachment. As to your question, it would probably depend on the nature of the illegal activity outlined. Jay-walking? No. Some serious felony? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/16 "2018-02-20T19:28:22Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > If there is clear and convincing evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election, I’ll support his impeachment. > > As to your question, it would probably depend on the nature of the illegal activity outlined. Jay-walking? No. Some serious felony? Yes. Agreed. Glad to hear it. I guess we just differ in how we are assessing the likelihood of that. My assessment is that the odds that Trump has committed some serious felonious money laundering is pretty damn high. I guess you are assessing his honesty higher than I am. ---
**Author:** ![Arizona\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@Arizona\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arizona_Mike)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/17 "2018-02-20T20:15:42Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Serious question. If one of the people who are already cooperating with the FBI outlines illegal activities within the Trump campaign and directly implicates Trump himself, will you change your mind? Are you willing to plant a flag somewhere ahead of time, or is it all just justification after the fact? A question in response - if Muleller’s investigation clears the President of any collusion, will you (and others on this site) accept the conclusion, or continue t0 hold that, somehow, Trump MUST be guilty of collusion even if Mueller couldn’t find it? I can see this Collusion Conspiracists eventually turning into something like the 9-11 Truthers or the Waco Conspiracists, continuing to argue their case for decades into the future on message boards and obscure websites. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/18 "2018-02-20T20:21:55Z")
Yeah mean like the Hillary “lock her up” cultists? Or the “George Soros is manipulating school shooting survivors” loonies? Or the “Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim” cranks like the president? To answer your question, if Mueller clears Trump of any wrongdoing, I will accept it. Will you accept it if the opposite happens? I notice you never answered that question… ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/19 "2018-02-20T20:28:58Z")
> [@Arizona\_Mike](#): > > A question in response - if Muleller’s investigation clears the President of any collusion, will you (and others on this site) accept the conclusion, or continue t0 hold that, somehow, Trump MUST be guilty of collusion even if Mueller couldn’t find it? > I can see this Collusion Conspiracists eventually turning into something like the 9-11 Truthers or the Waco Conspiracists, continuing to argue their case for decades into the future on message boards and obscure websites. So you are into the “projection” game. You are describing a certain bubble that we can recognize, but it’s closer to home for you. Just take another look. Almost a negative image… Trump has to go whether he is a colluder or a patsy, or an “asset” of another government. I only want to know which it is for the closure of it. I have devoted a lot of time to this reality shit show and I want to know how it ends. Nobody on the left needs donald to be a colluder, or needs anything that badly enough to engage in the kind of conspiracy lies that have been coming out non stop for over a solid year now. We don’t need it for our truth or our justice. That seems to be on track. On the right, they do need something else. There is a difference. ---
**Author:** ![SteveMonon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8491ac/32.png) [@SteveMonon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveMonon)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/20 "2018-02-20T21:07:32Z")
I’m not quite sure I understand what the issue is here with Donald Trump’s behavior. We had the previous President literally [begging](http://www.wsj.com/video/obama-medvedev-hot-mic-gaffe/5F7CF09D-CFD5-4805-A72C-3378D5F8371E.html) Russia’s then-President Medvedev to please, please let Vladimir Putin know that after the elections he (Obama) would have more flexibility. Then-President Medvedev reassured then-President Obama that he would make Vladimir aware of Obama’s desperate pleas. This was clear-cut of betrayal of American interests, caught on tape, no investigation required, made even worse by Mitt Romney slowly, patiently,like to a mental midget, explaining to Obama in 2012 that Russia is the US greatest geopolitical thread, only to have the said mental midget…laugh at Romney, instead of quietly listening, absorbing and thanking Mitt for sharing his wisdom. Sure, one can say: “Well, what do you expect, no one ever accused Obama of being particularly bright, and he was just out of his league, dealing with Vladimir Putin”. I’m sorry, but no, no and no. President of the United States begged foreign power to give him “more space”. No amount of spin will change this clear case of betrayal of US national interests and open collusion with Vladimir Putin. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196.md?page=2)