# Trump's ongoing collusion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 20, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196 "2018-02-20T13:39:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/141 "2018-03-02T21:37:20Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > I would caution against assigning any particular cause to this shooting until there is more information to go on. We don’t know what may have occurred or why this person decided to end two lives and destroy his own, but it is a tragedy for everyone involved or more than peripherally associated. > > Stranger Agreed. That was just the first possible explanation that popped into mind. Could be some family dynamics coming to a head, could be… Well, a tragedy no matter the cause for all involved, even peripherally, as in other dorm residents. And the larger tragedy is that this sort of thing has become so common that it’s barely a blip on the radar; it takes double-digit casualties to generate more than brief notice. Meanwhile, here’s [one man’s take](http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2018/3/2/13811/39713) on the attrition in Trump’s administration. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/142 "2018-03-05T15:24:57Z")
[Holy smokes, what a good read!](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/12/christopher-steele-the-man-behind-the-trump-dossier?irgwc=1&utm_medium=27795&utm_campaign=Online%20Tracking%20Link&utm_source=IR) Just one tidbit: > [@](#): > > One subject that Steele is believed to have discussed with Mueller’s investigators is a memo that he wrote in late November, 2016, after his contract with Fusion had ended. This memo, which did not surface publicly with the others, is shorter than the rest, and is based on one source, described as “a senior Russian official.” The official said that he was merely relaying talk circulating in the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but what he’d heard was astonishing: people were saying that the Kremlin had intervened to block Trump’s initial choice for Secretary of State, Mitt Romney. (During Romney’s run for the White House in 2012, he was notably hawkish on Russia, calling it the single greatest threat to the U.S.) The memo said that the Kremlin, through unspecified channels, had asked Trump to appoint someone who would be prepared to lift Ukraine-related sanctions, and who would coöperate on security issues of interest to Russia, such as the conflict in Syria. If what the source heard was true, then a foreign power was exercising pivotal influence over U.S. foreign policy—and an incoming President. This is eye-opening on many levels. I recommend reading it several hours before bedtime so as not to induce insomnia and/or nightmares. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/143 "2018-03-05T19:17:30Z")
Bad news day for Sexy Rexy Tillerson. [State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0.](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/world/europe/state-department-russia-global-engagement-center.html) ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/144 "2018-03-05T20:37:25Z")
Did anyone watch the Tur interview where Nunberg he won’t comply with Mueller’s supoena? Can’t watch now - at work. Some people said he sounded drunk. Edit: [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKJEebeZYYQ) - apparently starts 33 minutes in. Is full episode, I think, so not sure how long will last. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/145 "2018-03-05T20:50:57Z")
Too late for edit - full interview. [Former Trump aide Sam Nunberg refusing to comply with Mueller subpoena](https://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/former-trump-aide-sam-nunberg-refusing-to-comply-with-mueller-subpoena-1177240643765) Nunberg just said and Bannon think Trump may have done something during the election (but he didn’t know what). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/146 "2018-03-05T21:03:09Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Bad news day for Sexy Rexy Tillerson. > > [State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It Has Spent $0.](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/world/europe/state-department-russia-global-engagement-center.html) The model of efficiency! I wonder what his secret is. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/147 "2018-03-05T21:17:12Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > Did anyone watch the Tur interview where Nunberg he won’t comply with Mueller’s supoena? Can’t watch now - at work. Some people said he sounded drunk. > > Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKJEebeZYYQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKJEebeZYYQ) - apparently starts 33 minutes in. Is full episode, I think, so not sure how long will last. Sounds like the US Marshals are about to get busy. Seriously, WTF? One does not ignore a subpoena. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/148 "2018-03-05T21:18:51Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > Too late for edit - full interview. [Former Trump aide Sam Nunberg refusing to comply with Mueller subpoena](https://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/former-trump-aide-sam-nunberg-refusing-to-comply-with-mueller-subpoena-1177240643765) > > Nunberg just said and Bannon think Trump may have done something during the election (but he didn’t know what). Wow. That is really something to listen to. He definitely says that he has the feeling that Mueller has something on Trump and that Trump may have done something. A later reiterates that sentiment and adds that Steve Bannon, in his opinion, agrees based on a conversation they had a week ago. ---
**Author:** ![dofe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ba0ec/32.png) [@dofe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dofe)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/149 "2018-03-05T22:21:00Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > Did anyone watch the Tur interview where Nunberg he won’t comply with Mueller’s supoena? Can’t watch now - at work. Some people said he sounded drunk. > > Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKJEebeZYYQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKJEebeZYYQ) - apparently starts 33 minutes in. Is full episode, I think, so not sure how long will last. “I think it would be funny if they arrested me.” “I think my lawyer is gonna dump me right now.” Wow, interesting legal strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/150 "2018-03-05T22:33:36Z")
I think that Trump’s island of misfit toys is starting to crack under pressure. That man does not sound well. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/151 "2018-03-05T22:58:44Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > The model of efficiency! I wonder what his secret is. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/152 "2018-03-05T23:05:34Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > The model of efficiency! I wonder what his secret is. I suspect Robert Mueller may be curious too. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/153 "2018-03-05T23:45:06Z")
What are the consequences for failing to comply with a subpoena from a special prosecutor? (OK, here is analysis) > **[Mueller Can’t Actually Punish Sam Nunberg For Refusing to Testify in Front of...](https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analysis/what-will-when-to-sam-nunberg-after-he-refuses-to-testify-in-front-of-muellers-grand-jury/)** > > Sam Nunberg, a former and early aide to President Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign has been subpoenaed to testify and produce documents by special counsel Robert Mueller--but he says he won't do it. In fact, he said "screw that." Because of... > [@](#): > > TL;DR–Mueller can and probably will throw Nunberg in jail if he so desires. But again: this isn’t because Nunberg is being punished–it’s because Mueller wants to force compliance that courts are keen on stretching the law to force such compliance. Nunberg could fight Mueller on this and if he does, he may inadvertently create a much-needed clarification in federal grand jury rules and Constitutional rights. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/154 "2018-03-06T00:06:43Z")
Lawfare is all over this: [Sam Nunberg’s Media Meltdown—and What He Might Want to Remember About Special Prosecutors’ Powers](https://www.lawfareblog.com/sam-nunbergs-media-meltdown) > [@](#): > > It is an understatement to say that Sam Nunberg is playing with fire. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/155 "2018-03-06T00:12:26Z")
Watching his interview on CNN now. Man, this guy is a gift from Og. The only issues are how much credibility he’ll have, and what he really knows. What an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/156 "2018-03-06T00:26:52Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Sounds like the US Marshals are about to get busy. Seriously, WTF? One does not ignore a subpoena. Oh honey, if you were upset having to spend money on lawyers before I have bad news for you. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/157 "2018-03-06T00:32:43Z")
Trump is going to be so pissed off. I mean think of the ratings this guy is pulling down. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196/158 "2018-03-06T00:45:59Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Trump is going to be so pissed off. I mean think of the ratings this guy is pulling down. Does Trump know about it - I mean, has Fox News covered this story? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-ongoing-collusion/809196.md?page=7)