# Trump's Possible Crimes **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 24, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853 "2020-12-24T23:16:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/61 "2020-12-28T19:37:55Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “The left would do it too!” he asserted, with no evidence. I’ll ask you also, then. Do you believe that commentators such as Rachel Maddow never use phony arguments, quote things out of context, and use other dishonest tactics? In any case, I replied to **songsearch** to agree with him that unfounded character assassinations take place all the time, and the left is not immune from doing so. I truly did not intend nor want to get into a whole discussion of it, and hijack this thread. I have nothing more to say, unless someone wants to start a thread on that. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/62 "2020-12-28T19:40:48Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This is Trump’s character, in his own words: > > "I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. … Grab ‘em by the pussy. You can do anything.” > > He brags about sexually assaulting women. HIS OWN WORDS. > And you dare to complain about how the media (and this board) are mean to him? Okay, back to the topic at hand: Trump’s possible crimes. Excellent. Surely he bragged about it, and perfectly illustrates his sick mindset. Such irrefutable evidence has not yet been given as far as what the IRS may or may not be investigating, which to answer once again\*, I hope will happen. \*Intended for **k9bfriender** , since he asked again. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/63 "2020-12-28T19:43:27Z")
On brand. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/64 "2020-12-28T19:44:52Z")
nm, will stick to topic at hand…will stick to topic at hand…will stick… ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/65 "2020-12-28T20:11:06Z")
I think that fleecing senior citizens and the vulnerable unemployed out of their life savings is worse, and I wish he’d been criminally charged. But his victims probably just wanted their money back, and were glad to see him settle the lawsuits. > **[Details of $25 million Trump U. settlement filed](https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/12/trump-university-settlement-filed-232839)** > > The settlement guarantees the money will be turned over before Trump is sworn in as president. I’m aware that there are still some people out there, maybe even on this board, that still think that Trump has some shred of credibility, and these people may have believed that Trump University was just a branding deal and poor Mr. Trump was a patsy. Please understand that Trump University was Donald Trump’s own venture, and Donald Trump was the recipient of 90% of the profits. And for those people that still think Trump is credible, let me remind you again about Trump pee vitamins. Trump found people dumb enough to send him a bottle of pee and $140 bucks in exchange for a bottle of vitamins. Allegedly, the pee was used to determine what color vitamins you needed - but knowing what we know about Trump and science, it’s possible he just looked at each piss bottle and used his 4D chess master intuition to figure out which vitamins you needed, you know, Republican science. > **[Trump’s short, failed venture into vitamin supplement hucksterism | MinnPost](https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2016/03/trumps-short-failed-venture-vitamin-supplement-hucksterism/)** > > The Trump Network sold customized vitamins and urine tests, with the claim that they would make the purchaser healthier. The tests, said Dr. Pieter Cohen, seemed to be “pathologizing normal human life.” I think this is worse than pardoning war criminals - well, Trump U was. I just throw in the pee vitamins to highlight the abject stupidity of everyone that thinks Trump isn’t a criminal and con man. But I guess some people are cool with fleecing the elderly out of their life savings -74 million of them. I hope each and every one of them has absolutely everything they’ve worked for stolen out from under them , their homes, their savings, everything…just so I can laugh at their misery. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/66 "2020-12-28T20:12:56Z")
We have a lot more than that. For one, we have [Cohen’s plea deal document](https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17765496/michael-cohen-plea-deal-sdny-criminal-prison) itself. (You can start reading on p. 11.) We also have copies of the checks signed by Trump. These are documents in evidence that support Cohen’s claims. It’s clear you have barely a passing acquaintance with this case and the evidence that has already been amassed, and, it would appear, a less than complete knowledge about how the law works. You’ve yet to offer an alternative explanation for why Cohen would pay a sex worker out of his own funds to silence her for behavior that he himself, Cohen, did not engage in. This is an actual, possible crime that Trump has engaged in, for which he has been charged under the moniker of ‘Individual 1,’ just as the OP requested. It did not arise in a vacuum. Your knowledge and reasoning are defective in my opinion, and engaging with you further is a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/67 "2020-12-28T20:17:05Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > I’m not really so sure, though, why so many think he has cheated on his taxes. Because there is a ton of publicly available evidence that he cheated on his taxes. A ton. And you have read it. Thread: [Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696) You asked for evidence, posters provided it to you, and in at least one instance you even acknowledged that there was something there. > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/368): > > Thanks for your specific answer. Being in no way an expert on tax evasion, you seem to have something here. That’s just his tax crimes. There’s also a ton of publicly available evidence of obstruction of justice, campaign finance violations, sexual assault, and more. We’ve done this same dance with you over and over again. “There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/68 "2020-12-28T20:26:15Z")
IIRC, Cohen also had a tape he had clandestinely made of him discussing the payoff. And Trump Inc accountant Allen Weiselburg, who helped arrange the payoff, testified after being given immunity. There is a ton of hard evidence aside from Cohen’s testimony. All this additional evidence firmly implicated Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/69 "2020-12-28T20:28:30Z")
You’re right. I’d completely forgotten about the tape(s)! I mean, FFS, how much evidence does someone need?? I also laugh at the “But he’s a criminal and a liar! How can we believe him NOW?” argument. Clearly, they’ve never spent time in a criminal court. A goodly number of witnesses in criminal cases are the criminal cohorts of any defendant. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/70 "2020-12-28T20:42:02Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I think this is worse than pardoning war criminals - well, Trump U was. That is certainly a supportable position. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/71 "2020-12-28T20:52:27Z")
Trump has also admitted to lying (see Woodward’s conversations with Trump in his latest book). So where does that leave us? ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/72 "2020-12-28T20:58:02Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > That’s just his tax crimes. > > There’s also a ton of publicly available evidence of obstruction of justice, campaign finance violations, sexual assault, and more. We’ve done this same dance with you over and over again. > > “There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See” **Ann\_Hedonia** said this in that thread: > [@](#): > > I think that he may have run afoul of the laws regarding tax withholding. If Ivanka is a full time employee of the Trump Organization he is required to report everything he pays her -salary, commission, bonuses, …everything. If he tries to evade that obligation by paying her in another way for work she does for the Trump Organization, that’s tax evasion. This is the “something” I was referring to. And I stand by it. But did Trump in fact do this? I for one don’t know, but let me know if you do. I am not saying that there is no reason to believe Trump may have committed tax crimes. Again, let the investigations begin. I am just not sure of other’s _certainty_ on the matter. I want to see what is turned up during the investigations also. As for the blind, I for one am not blind, and clearly see that in order to put someone in jail for a crime, you must prove your case in a court of law. This is not to say that neither you or anyone else is wrong to believe what they do. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/73 "2020-12-28T21:08:42Z")
Continuing on, one might go back in this thread, and even others that I did or did not participate in, and show the evidence that has been presented there, and one could then tell me if they could convict Trump of crimes that he has not already pled guilty to or been convicted of. I cannot, but could certainly be convinced going forward. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/74 "2020-12-28T21:09:33Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > I’m not really so sure, though, why so many think he has cheated on his taxes. > [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > I am not saying that there is no reason to believe Trump may have committed tax crimes. You’re so close to answering your questions. So close. People think Trump cheated on his taxes because they have reason to believe that Trump cheated on his taxes. Reasons backed by evidence. Mountains of publicly available evidence. Mountains of publicly available evidence that you have read and discussed on this board. You know everything you need to know to address the issues you raised in the OP of this thread. > [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > This is the “something” I was referring to. And I stand by it. But did Trump in fact do this? This “something” is a crime and we have evidence that Trump committed this crime. It remains to be seen if it can proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump is guilty of this crime, but we, without question, have evidence that he committed this crime. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/75 "2020-12-28T21:11:29Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > It remains to be seen if it can proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump is guilty of this crime, but we, without question, have evidence that he committed this crime. Exactly. Again, I’m not saying he did not commit crimes. So, for example, how sure are you? 100% or what. I don’t know. But if anyone is 100% sure, I don’t get it, because I am not. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/76 "2020-12-28T21:19:12Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Exactly. Again, I’m not saying he did not commit crimes. So, for example, how sure are you? 100% or what. I don’t know. But if anyone is 100% sure, I don’t get it, because I am not. This thread is about possible crimes. 100% would be definite crimes. That’s a huge goalpost move. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/77 "2020-12-28T21:22:51Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Do you believe that commentators such as Rachel Maddow never use phony arguments, quote things out of context, and use other dishonest tactics? 1. Are those the major problems we have with Trump? 2. Would you like to compare Maddow’s “dishonest tactics” to Trump’s…or is this just another “both sides do it!” without proportionality jab? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/78 "2020-12-28T21:24:23Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > and as you say, I hope the IRS gets on it pronto. The audit line is Trump bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/79 "2020-12-28T21:26:11Z")
> [@songsearch](#): > > Like Trump, I prefer to keep my tax records private, and we are allowed to do so by law. Does that mean I should be presumed guilty of crime? There’s been a lot of accusations thrown around by the opposition in the last four years, and it’s already started with Biden. There has been no indictments of Trump and no convictions, yet he’s assumed to be guilty. Whether you like him or hate him, Trump or Biden, I think the character assassination that goes on in the media (and this board) is ridiculous. Assume the worst, and that’s what you’ll get. You’re not familiar with this fella Trump, are you? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/80 "2020-12-28T21:30:16Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > This is a thread about Trump’s crimes. Trump’s POSSIBLE crimes. Of which tax crimes are paramount. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853.md?page=5)