# Trump's Possible Crimes **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 24, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853 "2020-12-24T23:16:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/161 "2021-01-07T17:29:57Z")
Anyone else think the chances of Trump seeing jail time for his many crimes just dramatically increased? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/162 "2021-01-07T17:30:59Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Anyone else think the chances of Trump seeing jail time for his many crimes just dramatically increased? - Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/163 "2021-01-07T18:17:14Z")
Not dramatically, but yes. I think this increases the chance that Biden allows investigations. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/164 "2021-01-07T18:18:42Z")
I do. I think inciting insurrection is a line too far to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/165 "2021-01-07T18:22:45Z")
> The federal law against seditious conspiracy can be found in Title 18 of the U.S. Code (which includes treason, rebellion, and similar offenses), specifically [18 U.S.C. § 2384](https://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/115/2384). According to the statutory definition of sedition, it is a crime for two or more people within the jurisdiction of the United States: > > - To conspire to overthrow or destroy by force the government of the United States or to level war against them; > - To oppose by force the authority of the United States government; to prevent, hinder, or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States; or > - **To take, seize, or possess by force any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.** So what happened yesterday is a text book definition of sedition. If it’s proven Trump incited this, which should be possible based on his statements and influence, that would make him guilty of sedition. I would say Hawley is also on the hook. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/166 "2021-01-07T18:26:42Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I do. I think inciting insurrection is a line too far to ignore. Look how many Republicans continued to object to the electoral votes for Biden. For. No. _Fucking_. Reason. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/167 "2021-01-07T18:41:06Z")
I think there’s a list of Congress critters and Senators that need to be investigated and quite possibly arrested as well. E.g., Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, etc. There really needs to be a reckoning for this. It is one thing to kill people by giving them bad advice during a global pandemic, but attacking democracy itself cannot be allowed to go unpunished. I’m quite certain this insurrection took place in part because of the tepid response to the Michigan insurrection. This cannot be allowed to stand; otherwise, it will be an endless cycle of escalating political violence and insurrections until democracy fails. This is very serious and all Americans, imo, need to take it seriously regardless of their political persuasion. This is the thing that needs to unite America, or there will be no America. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/168 "2021-01-07T18:42:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Look how many Republicans continued to object to the electoral votes for Biden. > For. No. _Fucking_ . Reason. Oh, they had a reason – political theater for the MAGAts. I’ve made a list of all the senators and Arizona’s house delegates. There are too damn many of the latter to lose focus over the other states’ insurrectionists. It’s kind of like looking at the [freshman section](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html) of your senior yearbook. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/169 "2021-01-07T19:57:51Z")
Worst goddamn thing I’ve seen. Trump is in my book now clearly worse than Nixon, Harding, Jackson & even James useless Buchanan. He is the worst. He should be known forever more as the worst. I think the Secret Service should have put a bullet through his head as he is clearly the first President to be a traitor to the country and the US Constitution. I’m beyond belief it has gotten this bad. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/170 "2021-01-07T20:37:13Z")
C’mon, What\_Exit. Stop holding back. Tell us how you really feel. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/171 "2021-01-08T02:20:53Z")
For those of you who think Trump will avoid jail time, have you not seen the quality of his lawyers??? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/172 "2021-01-08T22:32:34Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > There really needs to be a reckoning for this. It is one thing to kill people by giving them bad advice during a global pandemic, but attacking democracy itself cannot be allowed to go unpunished. Republican line today: Oh, no, you can’t do anything mean to Trump, as now is “a time for healing and unity as one Nation” What a bunch of complete and utter horseshit coming out of the White House press office now. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/173 "2021-01-08T23:13:14Z")
> **[Read: House Democrats' draft of a new article of impeachment against Trump |...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/trump-article-of-impeachment-draft/index.html)** > > House Democrats have circulated a draft of a new impeachment resolution against President Donald Trump with one article of impeachment, "incitement of insurrection." Here is a draft of the articles of impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![therealhoax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/therealhoax/32/5266_2.png) [@therealhoax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/therealhoax)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/174 "2021-01-09T03:16:56Z")
Does he have to allow them if they are at the state level? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/175 "2021-01-09T03:26:32Z")
That wouldn’t have anything to do with them losing the trifecta, would it? We’ll get back to you after we pass the 400 something bills our House passed that McConnell refused to vote on. Then we’ll censure every one of you for every time you bent or broke a law to carry Trump’s water. Then we can talk about being friends. No need to rush, we’ll be here in charge for a long time. Maybe you shouldn’t have let Trump and his cronies take over your entire organizational fund-raising operation.\* \*They did, too. I got into researching the web of fraud and deceit that is Republican fund-raising, and it’s mind-boggling. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/176 "2021-01-09T06:20:48Z")
No. Biden would have very little–if any–influence on state charges. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/177 "2021-01-09T06:21:51Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Not dramatically, but yes. I think this increases the chance that Biden allows investigations. Biden has made it clear that he wants his AG to operate independently, not following the whims of the president. The AG will decide whether or not to prosecute Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/178 "2021-01-09T16:53:51Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You admit that that the right just makes things up, then infer that “both sides do it” without actually supporting that assertion with actual facts. Worse: he’s actually blaming the left for the faults of the right. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/179 "2021-01-09T16:58:59Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I’m quite certain this insurrection took place in part because of the tepid response to the Michigan insurrection. This cannot be allowed to stand; otherwise, it will be an endless cycle of escalating political violence and insurrections until democracy fails. My advice is always to plan for worst and hope for the best. In this case, I’d say that’s still good advice. This isn’t over. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853.md?page=8)