# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/221 "2015-09-18T21:44:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I note that it hasn’t drawn much in the way of response, mostly I imagine because very few here want to acknowledge or even recognize its truths, and secondarily because as a 'Swedish progressive" (:)) most here are loathe to attack you, as would have most certainly been the case had one of the board’s conservatives said the same thing. A poster notes that Trump presents himself as powerful and demonstrates that he is capable of some intelligence in his reptilian brain, but obviously does not read. What would there be to attack? Noting that a person who has been a celebrity for many years does not fall on his face in interviews does not encourage me to vote for a delusional, uneducated, narcissist, but if seeing him depicted that way makes you happy, that is fine with me. I, for example, never accused GWB of being stupid. He was not. He was, instead, lazy, making up his mind based on personal feelings and ignoring any evidence that did not support them. How is Trump different, (aside from being even less informed than Bush)? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/222 "2015-09-19T02:45:51Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The anti-Muslim stooge could come back to haunt Trump, IF a competent reporter would bring it up in a news conference or debate. “Mr. Trump, at a recent rally a supporter said that Muslims are a problem in America and that the president was a Muslim himself. You nodded in agreement with him. Are Muslims a problem in America and if so, what would you do about it?” > > The incident will not faze current Trump supporters. They are well beyond the universe of factual knowledge. I’m as far away from a Trump supporter as it’s possible to be, but this is a non-story and a lame attempt to throw mud would only help his campaign. Once again, if I were Trump (_shudder_), and a reporter asked me that question, I’d simply say: “When being asked a question, I often nod to show I’ve heard and understood the question. Then, _what I actually say_, is my position on the subject.” Then, regarding Muslims in America, I’d do what Trump normally does: just deflect and give a non-answer. Something like: “With regards to Muslims in America, America is a diverse country and I’m proud of that. But Islamic fundamentalism does present a problem to the world and we must do all we can to address it”. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2015, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/223 "2015-09-19T11:15:34Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > T. . . but man, it doesn’t get any Trumpier than that last paragraph, does it? When you see his words in print, away from the mesmerizing smug delivery, it’s apparent just how much nothingness is there. Yes–I’ve been hearing this nothingness for a quite a while, now, and I don’t need to see it written. He’ll say whatever he thinks will get him on the good side of this small portion of the voters, who are getting much more attention than they deserve. He’s the ultimate panderer. However much he may claim to be some kind of outsider who’s “fed up” with the ways of Washington, he actually is a total politician who will say whatever he thinks these people want to hear. He’s spewing out these answers of nothingness, but they don’t care, because they can’t tell the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/224 "2015-09-20T15:20:41Z")
Latest (and post-debate) poll: > **[Poll: Fiorina rockets to No. 2 behind Trump in GOP field | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/20/politics/carly-fiorina-donald-trump-republican-2016-poll/index.html)** > > Carly Fiorina has rocketed into second place in the Republican presidential field and Donald Trump has lost some support, a new national CNN/ORC poll shows. Trump: 24% Fiorina: 15% Carson: 14% Rubio: 11% Bush: 9% The never-held-a-political-office candidates, in aggregate: 53%. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/225 "2015-09-20T15:26:07Z")
New (and post-debate) [NBC-sponsored poll](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/NBC-SM_ToplinesMethod9%2019.pdf): Trump: 29% Carson: 14% Fiorina: 11% Bush: 8% Cruz: 7% Rubio: 7% ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/226 "2015-09-20T16:09:21Z")
Ignorant dipshits, closing in on unanimous. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/227 "2015-09-20T19:49:24Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > New (and post-debate) [NBC-sponsored poll](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/NBC-SM_ToplinesMethod9%2019.pdf): > > Trump: 29% > Carson: 14% > Fiorina: 11% > Bush: 8% > Cruz: 7% > Rubio: 7% This one’s a SurveyMonkey poll. So I’m going to put a lower weight on this than even the Morning Consult (who?) poll. The only ‘real’ poll we have since Wednesday’s debate is the latest CNN/ORC poll that **Terr** mentioned in post 224. Again, it’s only one poll, but it confirms that Fiorina was the big winner on Wednesday, and apparently Rubio also gained a bit of ground. Losers were Trump (have we finally passed Peak Trump? ;)), Carson, and Walker, whose support in this poll was down to 0%. Everybody else kinda went sideways, it seems. Waiting on confirmation from other pollsters, as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/228 "2015-09-20T20:20:12Z")
The GOP race has become even harder to read with three outsiders at the top the CNN poll. How will the GOP establishment react to Fiorina? She is better prepared than Trump or Carson and probably much more acceptable to them but her HP record is likely to be a serious liability in the general. Still they will be happy to have her draw support away from Trump. I think race is much more unpredictable than 2012. Then, while Romney struggled against Perry, Cain, Gingrich and Santorum, he was at least consistently in second place and with 15-20% support . By contrast Jeb has been in single digits for weeks and is in fifth place in that CNN poll. It’s hard to see him as the front-runner anymore but then if it’s not him then who? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/229 "2015-09-20T20:31:03Z")
Trump seems to be still counting on the Birther vote and/or the ignorant fool vote: > **[Trump on a Muslim President: 'Some People Have Said it Already Happened'](https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2015/09/20/trump-on-a-muslim-president-some-people-have-said-it-already-happened/)** > > Trump on a Muslim President: 'Some People Have Said it Already Happened' Ah, the old Fox News “some people say” tactic. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/230 "2015-09-20T20:56:03Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > This one’s a SurveyMonkey poll. So I’m going to put a lower weight on this than even the Morning Consult (who?) poll. You mean the SurveyMonkey that was the only one that accurately predicted the Tories win in the UK? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/231 "2015-09-20T23:19:39Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > You mean the SurveyMonkey that was the only one that accurately predicted the Tories win in the UK? What’s their track record over here? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/232 "2015-09-21T13:51:44Z")
[Zogby Analytics poll:](http://www.zogbyanalytics.com/news/649-zogby-poll-trump-widens-lead-after-gop-debate) Trump: 33% Carson: 13% Bush: 9% Fiorina: 7% Cruz: 5% ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/233 "2015-09-21T14:30:54Z")
IOW, the nutbars have a solid majority. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/234 "2015-09-21T17:26:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > His replacement is about to be Arnold Schwarzenegger, who, while most people don’t know it, has actually made more money from his various business activities than from his movies. He’s basically a businessman who makes movies on the side. _The Apprentice_ needs to be headed by someone with charisma and extraordinary business success in order for the premise to work, and Trump has both in spades. It is fitting that Trump is going to be replaced by an immigrant. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/235 "2015-09-21T17:41:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It is fitting that Trump is going to be replaced by an immigrant. Two of his 3 wives are immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/236 "2015-09-21T21:33:06Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [Zogby Analytics poll:](http://www.zogbyanalytics.com/news/649-zogby-poll-trump-widens-lead-after-gop-debate) > > Trump: 33% > Carson: 13% > Bush: 9% > Fiorina: 7% > Cruz: 5% It’s kinda ironic that Zogby poll is showing that Trump is growing his support after the debate - after this commentary by Zogby after the debate: [http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Zogby-Debate-GOP-Trump/2015/09/17/id/691975/](http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Zogby-Debate-GOP-Trump/2015/09/17/id/691975/) In a post-debate interview with hosts Ed Berliner and J.D. Hayworth, the polling analyst declared Trump “begins the process of losing points tonight.” “He was a big loser in the debate tonight,” Zogby said. “Look for him to go down.” “The summer flirtation is over,” Zogby added. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/237 "2015-09-22T15:29:07Z")
And the latest poll: > **[Poll: Trump Leads, Clinton Under 50](https://morningconsult.com/2015/09/22/poll-trump-leads-clinton-under-50/)** > > A strong performance in last week’s Republican presidential debate has raised former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina’s public profile, but not nearly enough to cut into real estate mogul Donald Trump’s lead over the rest of the GOP field. Trump... Trump: 32% Carson: 12% Bush: 11% Fiorina: 6% Rubio: 5% Cruz: 5% To recap: after the debate, there were 4 polls so far. One (CNN’s) showed Trump dropping 8%. Three others show Trump increasing his lead. Guess which poll gets quoted by everyone (most famously by NBC when questioning Trump, even though they conducted their own poll and promptly ignored it)? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/238 "2015-09-22T15:53:53Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > To recap: after the debate, there were 4 polls so far. One (CNN’s) showed Trump dropping 8%. Three others show Trump increasing his lead. Guess which poll gets quoted by everyone (most famously by NBC when questioning Trump, even though they conducted their own poll and promptly ignored it)? Oh, well, if the bomb-throwers in Congress force a government shutdown, CNN will have to patch into the New Horizons data feed in search of a poll showing Trump’s lead increasing by less than a dozen points over the top Establishment candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/239 "2015-09-22T16:36:18Z")
[New post-debate Iowa poll - Trump increases his lead](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/22/donald-trump-leading-ben-carson-carly-fiorina-iowa/) Mr. Trump had the support of 24 percent of Hawkeye State Republicans in the survey released Tuesday by the Democratic-leaning firm Public Policy Polling, followed by Mr. Carson at 17 percent and Ms. Fiorina at 13 percent. “For all the controversy over the last six weeks Donald Trump’s in a slightly stronger position now than he was after the first debate,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/240 "2015-09-22T17:18:14Z")
[Fifth after-debate national poll](http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/22/hot-airtownhall-poll-for-september-trump-plateaus-hillary-down-7-to-sanders/): Trump’s numbers didn’t change, still leads by big margin: Trump: 24% Carson: 15% Fiorina: 10% Rubio: 7% [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=13)