# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 133
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2645 "2016-03-18T15:31:34Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You’re applauding releasing phone numbers and addresses of Trump’s family? No, but nice try. I’m applauding Anonymous’ position on Trump and his policies. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2646 "2016-03-18T15:40:51Z")
Nice try? You said you applaud them and link to an article saying they had just released all these numbers and addresses. If you wanted to condemn their tactics you could have made a post more than one sentence long. It’s not like this is the first time Anonymous’ target has been some jerk. So you didn’t applaud them when Westboro Baptist Church was their target? ISIL? Child porn sites? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2647 "2016-03-18T15:44:43Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Nice try? You said you applaud them and link to an article saying they had just released all these numbers and addresses. If you wanted to condemn their tactics you could have made a post more than one sentence long. It’s not like this is the first time Anonymous’ target has been some jerk. So you didn’t applaud them when Westboro Baptist Church was their target? ISIL? Child porn sites? Next time I’ll post a position paper on every comment I make. Go find somebody else to bug, I’m unimpressed. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2648 "2016-03-18T15:47:51Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Would that be the same \*The Economist \*Magazine owned by Clinton’s friend and supporter [Lynn Forester de Rothschild](https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/250)? Not exactly; it is _The Economist_ owned by [The Economist Group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economist_Group) which is **partly** owned by the Rothschild family (who, BTW, have always figured heavily in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories – understandably or at least inevitably, as they have for centuries been the most famous Jewish banking family in Europe). > [@](#): > > The Economist Group is owned by the Cadbury, Rothschild, Schroder, Agnelli and other family interests as well as a number of staff and former staff shareholders. > > Pearson PLC held a 50% shareholding via The Financial Times Limited until August 2015. At this time Pearson sold their share in the Economist. The Agnelli family’s Exor paid £287m to raise their stake from 4.7% to 43.4%, while the Economist paid £182m for the balance of 5.04m shares which will be distributed to current shareholders.[2] ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2649 "2016-03-18T15:54:42Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Next time I’ll post a position paper on every comment I make. Go find somebody else to bug, I’m unimpressed. No need to be so indignant. I just pointed out the most obvious interpretation of your one liner and you act like I’m playing some gotcha trick. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2650 "2016-03-18T16:03:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No need to be so indignant. I just pointed out the most obvious interpretation of your one liner and you act like I’m playing some gotcha trick. You are. You didn’t follow the rule mentioned in my signature: ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2651 "2016-03-18T16:05:13Z")
[Threatening letter sent to Trump’s son.](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMPS_SON_THREAT_NYOL-?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) “If your father doesn’t drop out, the next one won’t be fake.” Probably came from Reince Preibus. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2652 "2016-03-18T16:11:06Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > [Threatening letter sent to Trump’s son.](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMPS_SON_THREAT_NYOL-?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) > > “If your father doesn’t drop out, the next one won’t be fake.” Probably came from Reince Preibus. They’ll send a _real_ threatening letter? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2653 "2016-03-18T16:17:48Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > They’ll send a _real_ threatening letter? 🙂 The letter contained a harmless white powder. It’s in the article, but I neglected to mention that fact. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2654 "2016-03-18T16:19:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You guys keep saying things like this, and yet there’s this frantic, fearful tone to many of the board’s posts that Trump may actually wind up getting elected. And this despite the fact that by all accounts Trump would be a far more moderate president from the liberal point of view than Ted Cruz. No, he wouldn’t. He’d be less conservative, but there is nothing about that man that is moderate. As I’ve said before: Cruz would set us back, since he’s conservative, and therefore anti-progressive. Trump would destroy the country. He rejects reality itself and says whatever the fuck he wants. Just because Trump’s chance of winning isn’t over 50% doesn’t mean it’s 0% or even close. Last I checked, he had around a 25% chance of winning if he became the nominee. That’s way too high for comfort, even though chances are that he won’t win. Look, I still have faith in at least the non-Republicans in the US to show the slightest bit of morality and not vote for a cartoonishly evil man. Hell, the majority of Republicans still don’t currently support him. But that doesn’t allay the fear that I’m totally wrong. I was wrong about what the Republicans would allow, so I could be wrong about what the Democrats and Independents will allow. And that extra “loyalty” aspect to conservative morality might result in people voting Trump because they think it’s their duty. Compared to Trump, Cruz is not remotely scary. While I would not like him as president, the Republican platform is not one that would destroy the country. Trump’s platform is. And then there’s what a Trump win means about the people in this country. It puts a whole kibosh on the liberal idea that people are generally good. It takes nearly a majority of the voting population to elect the President. It would mean at least 40% of people are willing to elect what is probably the first evil aligned viable candidate. The only hope in a Trump presidency would be that everyone else in government stops him at every turn–or it turns out that he’s been playing a fake character his entire life. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2655 "2016-03-18T16:23:56Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Would that be the same \*The Economist \*Magazine owned by Clinton’s friend and supporter [Lynn Forester de Rothschild](https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/250)? The article sets out their rationale for the rating. Which part do you dispute? > [@jsc1953](#): > > [Threatening letter sent to Trump’s son.](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMPS_SON_THREAT_NYOL-?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) > > “If your father doesn’t drop out, the next one won’t be fake.” Probably came from Reince Preibus. You joke, but the problem is that it could plausibly be from a LWNJ, a RWNJ, a non-partisan-but-still-crazy NJ, or even from someone in the Trump camp looking to create some further drama. The second option is probably the least likely in my view but nothing would surprise me when it comes to the Trump campaign. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2656 "2016-03-18T16:25:37Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You are. You didn’t follow the rule mentioned in my signature: I see no need to charitably interpret someone who applauds assholes because said assholes agree that Trump is a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2657 "2016-03-18T17:02:08Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Not exactly; it is _The Economist_ owned by [The Economist Group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economist_Group) which is **partly** owned by the Rothschild family (who, BTW, have always figured heavily in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories – understandably or at least inevitably, as they have for centuries been the most famous Jewish banking family in Europe). It has to be mentioned here that one very ugly thing has been that more than a few professional deniers of climate change like Tim Ball are authoritarian and project the Fascist ideals that they have to their enemies. Even if they are Jewish (Some important climate change scientists are Jewish and they have been specially targeted by the paid merchant of doubt and it has to be noted here that a very similar thing has been done by the Trump followers to Bernie Sanders). Seeing the weapon’s grade ignorance showed in the Town Hall meeting by Trump it is clear to me that Trump and minions do continue to use weasels like Tim Ball and WUWT as their sources of ignorant information. > **[Anthony Watts pushes anti-semitic conspiracy theories wrapped up as a climate...](https://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/02/anthony-watts-pushes-anti-semitic.html)** > > Global warming & climate change. Eavesdropping on climate science deniers, their weird pseudo-science and crazy conspiracy theories. > [@](#): > > Tim Ball and Anthony Watts are promoting the conspiracy theory that the Club of Rome and Maurice Strong and the Rockefellers conspired to do something or the other. > > Tim Ball is an inveterate liar as well as a conspiracy nutter. In one of WUWT’s common if ghastly displays of forgery and misrepresentation, he wrote what he claimed was a quote from the 1991 book “The First Global Revolution: A Report by the Council of Rome” by Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider (which Tim Ball said was a 1994 book - he couldn’t even get that right): > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > “The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.” > > > > ``` > > Here is the closest passage, from page 75 of the book, where I’ve corrected Tim’s misquote. I’ve crossed out the words that don’t appear in the book, and bolded and italicised the words that Tim left out: > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > The common enemy of humanity is man. > > > > In searching for a new enemy [de]to unite us[/del] against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. **In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes.** All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself. > > > > ``` > > Not that anyone at WUWT would know, care or bother to check. All is fair when you want the world to burn. Tim fabricated his “quote” so he could weave his conspiracy theory that: > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > They claim the list of enemies is designed to unite people. In fact, it is needed to overcome what they see as the divisiveness of nation-states and to justify the establishment of one-world government or global socialism. They believe that global warming is a global problem that national governments cannot resolve. The changed behavior they want is for all to become socialists. > > > > ``` > > **Well, no “they” didn’t. In fact “they” (Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider) specifically wrote that those items in the list were not the enemy, they were symptoms. And nowhere does it mention anything about a one-world government or global socialism! That’s nothing more than a fantasy conspiracy theory that Anthony Watts and his lackeys promote. And it’s an old one, which can be traced back way before the Club of Rome. _It’s anti-semitic_, which fits with the bigotry and fanaticism you’ll see at WUWT. It can be viewed as a variation of the Illuminati conspiracy theory, which spreads to David Icke and his lizard men.** ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2658 "2016-03-18T17:24:15Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > **It can be viewed as a variation of the Illuminati conspiracy theory, which spreads to David Icke and his lizard men.** Come to think of it . . . of all pols or candidates American or foreign whose names I have even heard of in the past 20 years, Donald Trump is far and away the one whom it would easiest to believe is a Lizard Man. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2659 "2016-03-18T17:25:46Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The article sets out their rationale for the rating. Which part do you dispute? The entire piece is hyperbolic. I give it no more credence that all of Hillary’s critics portrayal of her as The Greatest Danger in History. It’s how politicians always try to frame their most challenging opponents. > [@](#): > > You joke, but the problem is that it could plausibly be from a LWNJ, a RWNJ, a non-partisan-but-still-crazy NJ, or even from someone in the Trump camp looking to create some further drama. The second option is probably the least likely in my view but nothing would surprise me when it comes to the Trump campaign. Man, people really love their acronyms around here. Those took me a moment. Yes, all of that is possible. I would put a lot of money down on the bet that it was someone motivated by all of the Trump=Hitler bluster that the media has been piping out 24/7. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2660 "2016-03-18T17:30:22Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > The entire piece is hyperbolic. I give it no more credence that all of Hillary’s critics portrayal of her as The Greatest Danger in History. It’s how politicians always try to frame their most challenging opponents. You must be thinking of a different piece. > [@](#): > > Thus far Mr Trump has given very few details of his policies - and these tend to be prone to constant revision - but a few themes have become apparent. First, he has been exceptionally hostile towards free trade, including notably NAFTA, and has repeatedly labelled China as a “currency manipulator”. He has also taken an exceptionally right-wing stance on the Middle East and jiadhi terrorism, including, among other things, advocating the killing of families of terrorists and launching a land incursion into Syria to wipe out IS (and acquire its oil). In the event of a Trump victory, his hostile attitude to free trade, and alienation of Mexico and China in particular, could escalate rapidly into a trade war - and at the least scupper the Trans-Pacific Partnership between the US and 11 other American and Asian states signed in February 2016. His militaristic tendencies towards the Middle East (and ban on all Muslim travel to the US) would be a potent recruitment tool for jihadi groups, increasing their threat both within the region and beyond. That is a statement carefully measured in tone, and says nothing whatsoever that is hyperbolic or, for that matter, untrue or implausible. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2661 "2016-03-18T17:32:24Z")
My previous post BTW does fit too in explaining where in heck Trump is finding his racist Tweets, They come very likely from very unsavory places of the Internet that are true crank magnets and Trump loves to go to those places. Or Trump just have very bad friends that send them very ugly tweets that then the twit re-tweets. IMHO Trump must have assistants that already have saved him of even more embarrassing tweets or instagrams. > **[We Found Where Donald Trump's "Black Crimes" Graphic Came From](https://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45291_We_Found_Where_Donald_Trumps_Black_Crimes_Graphic_Came_From)** > > So today, this happened. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump (yes, him again) re-tweeted the following blatantly racist graphic: "@SeanSean252: @WayneDupreeShow @Rockprincess818 @CheriJacobus pic.twitter.com/5GUwhhtvyN" — Donald J. Trump... > **[Donald Trump Retweets Troll Account With Quote From Fascist Dictator Mussolini](https://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45663_Donald_Trump_Retweets_Troll_Account_With_Quote_From_Fascist_Dictator_Mussolini)** > > We're going down the rabbit hole once again. The GOP frontrunner and presumptive nominee for the GOP nomination, Donald Trump, once again was caught quote-tweeting a white supremacist. This isn't a one-off instance. And quoting a guy who follows ... > [@](#): > > It’s all part of a pattern that has long been undeniable for months. Trump is actively soliciting, and pandering to, white supremacists and racists that form a significant portion of the GOP base. It’s part of the reason that the GOP isn’t pushing back against the racist and white supremacist and fascist statements Trump has made over the past few months. They’re increasingly worried that they’ll lose critical votes. > > All of Trump’s statements and actions, and the counter-actions by the GOP are symptomatic of the rot in the GOP itself. They’ve spent years cultivating anger, fear, and hatred among the GOP base. Now, they’ve found the guy that epitomizes all that in Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2662 "2016-03-18T19:09:09Z")
[Trump advisor says riots aren’t necessarily violent.](http://crooksandliars.com/2016/03/trump-advisor-doesnt-accept-riots-are) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2663 "2016-03-18T19:45:23Z")
Yup. Riots only get violent when the stooges of the Establishment try to stop the righteous gathering of the Citizens. That’s when all hell breaks loose. Just like Cliven Bundy. The cat’s just standing there. If you grab the cat’s tail and it tries to walk away, don’t be surprised to get scratched. The cat is, after all just being a cat. You’re the one who grabbed the tail, you meany trouble-seeking Establishment types. You have to wonder about folks who try to use schoolyard “logic” and rhetoric in real world adult politics. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2664 "2016-03-18T19:55:26Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No, he wouldn’t. He’d be less conservative, but there is nothing about that man that is moderate. > > As I’ve said before: Cruz would set us back, since he’s conservative, and therefore anti-progressive. Trump would destroy the country. He rejects reality itself and says whatever the fuck he wants. > > Just because Trump’s chance of winning isn’t over 50% doesn’t mean it’s 0% or even close. Last I checked, he had around a 25% chance of winning if he became the nominee. That’s way too high for comfort, even though chances are that he won’t win. > > Look, I still have faith in at least the non-Republicans in the US to show the slightest bit of morality and not vote for a cartoonishly evil man. Hell, the majority of Republicans still don’t currently support him. But that doesn’t allay the fear that I’m totally wrong. I was wrong about what the Republicans would allow, so I could be wrong about what the Democrats and Independents will allow. And that extra “loyalty” aspect to conservative morality might result in people voting Trump because they think it’s their duty. > > Compared to Trump, Cruz is not remotely scary. While I would not like him as president, the Republican platform is not one that would destroy the country. Trump’s platform is. > > And then there’s what a Trump win means about the people in this country. It puts a whole kibosh on the liberal idea that people are generally good. It takes nearly a majority of the voting population to elect the President. It would mean at least 40% of people are willing to elect what is probably the first evil aligned viable candidate. > > The only hope in a Trump presidency would be that everyone else in government stops him at every turn–or it turns out that he’s been playing a fake character his entire life. So all the the posters confidently proclaiming a Trump nomination = shoo-in victory for Clinton are just whistling in the dark then? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=132) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=134)