# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 136
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2705 "2016-03-19T17:26:50Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > [Republican voters in 2012 had a slightly higher IQ then Democratic ones](http://inductivist.blogspot.ca/2016/01/are-republicans-dumb-and-uneducated.html). :rolleyes::dubious: Of course, what that does tells me is something else then: Among the Republicans supporting Trump in the town hall meeting\*\* almost 100% reported to not believe that global warming was taking place. \*\* We are left then with the logical conclusion that while most of the Trump supporters are ignoramuses, there is indeed a good number of Republicans \*\*that know better \*\*but they have decided to not be leaders, but panderers of ignorants (_ **and they want to keep them that way** _) regardless if that issue is affecting many now and much more in the future… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2706 "2016-03-19T17:29:59Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > The difference one little punctuation mark can make… [Indeed.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19187799&highlight=commas#post19187799) (Scroll to bottom of post.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2707 "2016-03-19T17:31:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > It may be hard for a Republican to grasp this, but many thinking Americans would like to see _TWO_ strong parties . . . But for thinking Americans, those two strong parties should be the Democrats and the Socialists, each serving a useful function in reining in the other’s excesses . . . which the GOP does not in any sense, any more. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2708 "2016-03-19T17:37:50Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > [Republican voters in 2012 had a slightly higher IQ then Democratic ones](http://inductivist.blogspot.ca/2016/01/are-republicans-dumb-and-uneducated.html). :rolleyes::dubious: Is that surprising? The Pubs get most of the voters with a college education and no more. The Dems get the HS dropouts plus the ones with graduate degrees, and the dropouts are more numerous, bringing down the average. The poor vote Dems because they know Dems are the only party in any way looking out for them, and the really-smart vote Dem because they’re really-smart. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2709 "2016-03-19T18:35:35Z")
Nor does IQ = wisdom. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2710 "2016-03-19T18:36:39Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Indeed.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19187799&highlight=commas#post19187799) (Scroll to bottom of post.) Hahaha but mine was literal. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2711 "2016-03-19T18:42:46Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > … Someday, somebody’s going to explain this to me. There’s a ton of R+1 and R+2 ([Cook PVI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Partisan_Voting_Index#By_congressional_district.)) House seats. In 2008, the Dems won a whole bunch of House seats all the way up to R+7 before the winnings got sparse further up the line; that’s how they got that big-ass House majority they had in 2009. > > What makes regaining the House so incredibly out of reach? I accept that it’s an uphill fight, sure, but everybody seems to shrug and go “why even bother thinking about it? It’s all but impossible.” But it’s not. In fact, [the Cook Political Report just changed its ratings of 10 House races, all in the direction of becoming more favorable to the Dems.](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/house-races/273565-analysts-new-house-rankings-favor-dems-in-10-races) And this is just March. > > You know what’s going to happen? The Dems aren’t going to bother putting much effort into recruiting and supporting good House candidates in all those R+1 through R+3 or R+4 districts because, why bother? And then when a landslide at the top of the ticket brings them to only a 223-212 deficit in the House, despite having made little effort to win the House, everybody’s going to bemoan a very costly missed opportunity. > > That’s my nightmare, anyway. But I don’t see why it isn’t a somewhat realistic one, both in terms of the Dems having a real winning chance in the House, and, alas, in terms of their quite possibly failing to capitalize on it by sheer inaction. I certainly do not posit that flipping the House is impossible and in some other thread in this forum argued that this strange election brings up the possibility. The reality is that many of those seats are in suburban districts and a Trump incited staying home of college educated Whites, or even flipping sides, could have outsized impacts. OTOH a turning their back on Trump might give a chance to win a different set of districts. Generally House waves occur against an incumbent’s party but these are special times. Still the reality is the same: the odds of that in this or the next few cycles are still smaller than the risk of the GOP winning a Presidency within that time. In any case I do not get the sense that there is inaction to try to win those potentially winnable districts and agree that such inaction if it existed would be stupid. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2712 "2016-03-19T18:51:02Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > [Republican voters in 2012 had a slightly higher IQ then Democratic ones](http://inductivist.blogspot.ca/2016/01/are-republicans-dumb-and-uneducated.html). :rolleyes::dubious: Whooosh. I saw a newsletter from an organization for those of low IQ: DENSA. Get it? No I do not take IQ so seriously, it was a joke son. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2713 "2016-03-20T01:39:37Z")
Altercations at the Trump rally in AZ tonight. One protester was apparently sucker punched and stomped as he was being escorted from the rally. Another protester appears to have been manhandled by Corey Lewandowski. [http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/stuff-gets-ugly-at-trump-tucson-rally](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/stuff-gets-ugly-at-trump-tucson-rally) ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2714 "2016-03-20T01:44:17Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Altercations at the Trump rally in AZ tonight. One protester was apparently sucker punched and stomped as he was being escorted from the rally. Another protester appears to have been manhandled by Corey Lewandowski. > > [Stuff Gets Ugly at Trump Tucson Rally - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/stuff-gets-ugly-at-trump-tucson-rally) I guess we can add “KKK member” to the list of things you shouldn’t call a black guy. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2715 "2016-03-20T02:05:26Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The USA is not living in a vacuum, history and logic tell us that other countries will react negatively to the misguided trade wars that Trump wants and that does not mean that the USA will continue to get the same deals and products from abroad this is not about being spooked by a downturn, this is for practical purposes more close to sabotage. Trump doesn’t want trade wars. He claims he will be less timid in the face of the threat of them from our trading partners. This is just posturing, something that a lot of leaders and candidates around the world do. > [@](#): > > Not to mention the private corporations like Apple that will not take what Trump i demanding of them lying down. It is more than just a shadow what we are dealing with here. If something like this ever actually happened it wouldn’t hurt Apple much, as long as the same incentive structure was forced upon Samsung and other competitors as well. In the particular case of Apple, they might just build a plant to assemble US models here if Trump gets elected anyway, just to turn all of this exposure into positive, patriotic, PR. Free trade does the most good for the most people globally, in the long term, yes. But Apple could and would afford a few more dollars labor on an $800 phone if they got squeezed, regardless. And this could conceivably help some of those\* here\* in the short term. People instinctively understand this, which is why this pitch of Trump’s is such good stump speech material. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2716 "2016-03-20T02:18:40Z")
Wishful thinking are not arguments. Well, about Trump’s campaign, regarding double standards it is enough to say that Joe Arpaio is participating in the Trump Rally in Arizona. The same Joe Arpaio that is being tried for contempt of court by trying to get around the court ordered remedies to his demonstrated racial profiling of minorities. Arpaio also investigated the current wife of the judge in his case in order to intimidate him. **And Trump does not see anything wrong with that.** Of course, one wonders too when will the so called liberal media demand that Trump repudiate Arpaio, it is too late IMHO to stop pretending that Trump does not know who he is getting close to. Before, even with less connections that the one seen with Trump and Arapio, the media criticized Obama so much that he even left his former church and repudiated pastor Jeremiah Wright from that church because he had said very controversial ideas in the past. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2717 "2016-03-20T02:26:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But for thinking Americans, those two strong parties should be the Democrats and the Socialists, each serving a useful function in reining in the other’s excesses . . . which the GOP does not in any sense, any more. This thinking American thinks that having ideological parties has been tried over the past fifty years, and it has failed. We’d be better going to back to a situation in which the two parties are big tents with large contingents of truly liberal and conservative Republicans, and actually progressive and conservative Democrats. This is because the presidential system we have in the US, in contrast to the parliamentary system, requires willingness for parties to compromise. If US parties have strong principles, they won’t compromise, and you get government shutdowns and unfilled judgeships. It could be that 2016 is a [critical election year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realigning_election) during which the pendulum returns to the situation of the 1950’s and 1960’s, when observers commonly complained that there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the parties. If Trump is the nominee, where do the neo-conservatives go? Some of them, to the Democrats! And if Clinton is the nominee, and then pivots to her real views on world trade, where do those for whom anti-globalization is the most important issue go? Some of them, to the Republicans! I think this would make our government function better. I really this isn’t as exciting as shifting the whole structure to the left or right. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2718 "2016-03-20T02:32:55Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Of course, one wonders too when will the so called liberal media demand that Trump repudiate Arpaio, it is too late IMHO to stop pretending that Trump does not know who he is getting close to. Before, even with less connections that the one seen with Trump and Arapio, the media criticized Obama so much that he even left his former church and repudiated pastor Jeremiah Wright from that church because he had said very controversial ideas in the past. Wright played a much bigger role in Obama’s past and his campaign than Arpaio has in Trump’s. And Wright had extreme fringe viewpoints, while Arpaio is a figure who is symbolic of anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment, which is very common. ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2719 "2016-03-20T02:42:16Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Wright played a much bigger role in Obama’s past and his campaign than Arpaio has in Trump’s. And Wright had extreme fringe viewpoints, while Arpaio is a figure who is symbolic of anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment, which is very common. Still waiting for all the evidence of Obama’s foreign birth that Arpaio and Trump were looking for. But Wright played absolutely no role in Obama’s campaign, and he certainly didn’t open for him in front of frothing at the mouth crowds with the sole purpose to insight anger and division. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2720 "2016-03-20T02:45:27Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Wright played a much bigger role in Obama’s past and his campaign than Arpaio has in Trump’s. And Wright had extreme fringe viewpoints, while Arpaio is a figure who is symbolic of anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment, which is very common. Nonsense, Arapio was found by the courts to use racial profiling, unless you can show us Wright as being convicted and on trial when Obama was running we can dismiss all your platitudes as not being based on reality. So yes, I will think that the media not taking Trump to task for his horrible fellow traveler is a demonstration of a double standard. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2721 "2016-03-20T03:04:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nonsense, Arapio was found by the courts to use racial profiling, unless you can show us Wright as being convicted and on trial when Obama was running we can dismiss all your platitudes as not being based on reality. Arapio is a well publicized figure, and a symbol of anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment. Not only is this sentiment not on the fringe, it’s\* popular.\* The media doesn’t have to tar Trump with the association, he is doing it himself. Wright’s “America deserved 9-11 because it’s a big white devil” sermons don’t reflect a sentiment that is as widely held, to say the least. > [@](#): > > So yes, I will think that the media not taking Trump to task for his horrible fellow traveler is a demonstration of a double standard. The media has taken the Sheriff to task many times, and Trump is still prominently featuring him when he is in places where the issue he represents is potent. The story has gotten lot’s of coverage in the past and will as the campaign continues. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2722 "2016-03-20T03:08:39Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Arapio is a well publicized figure, and a symbol of anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment. Not only is this sentiment not on the fringe, it’s\* popular.\* The media doesn’t have to tar Trump with the association, he is doing it himself. Wright’s “America deserved 9-11 because it’s a big white devil” sermons don’t reflect a sentiment that is as widely held, to say the least. That is nice, do you realize that you are making the point that what the courts say should be based on popular opinion? > [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > The media has taken the Sheriff to task many times, Not for this AFAIK. > [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > and Trump is still prominently featuring him when he is in places where the issue he represents is potent. The story has gotten lot’s of coverage in the past and will as the campaign continues. Again, I only expect that to be fair the media also takes Trump to task until Trump repudiates Arpaio. And BTW, so should you and all others that do claim to believe in law and order. Unless you are defending the willful contempt of what the courts decided years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2723 "2016-03-20T03:15:21Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > Still waiting for all the evidence of Obama’s foreign birth that Arpaio and Trump were looking for. You might be waiting a while. Both sides of the political spectrum use bullshit to manipulate those who are paranoid and ignorant. > [@](#): > > But Wright played absolutely no role in Obama’s campaign, and he certainly didn’t open for him in front of frothing at the mouth crowds with the sole purpose to insight anger and division. Wright was going to play a part in the campaign until his statements were publicized. And his views, unlike the anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment Arpaio represents, are almost universally unpopular. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2724 "2016-03-20T03:18:45Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Wright was going to play a part in the campaign until his statements were publicized. And his views, unlike the anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment Arpaio represents, are almost universally unpopular. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Before you continue posting really ignorant points you need to get this: you are not even wrong, the point here was that Arpaio’ original lawsuit included legal residents and citizens that happened to be Hispanic, **Arpaio with his racial profiling did run over their rights**. I’m not talking here about illegal migration really. But \*\*Racial Profiling. \*\* And the fact that Arapio is back in court, but this time for contempt as he has tried to get around what the courts recommended as remedy. And then He investigated the wife of the judge presiding in his contempt of court case. Are you telling us that you do agree with all that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=135) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=137)