# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 139
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2765 "2016-03-20T20:50:35Z")
It is of course true that actual facts are immaterial to any good hate-filled diatribe, but if anyone cares Ron Unz had a fairly good analysis back in 2010 in The American Conservative debunking [the myth of high rates of violent offenders among Hispanics](http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/). His bottom line: > [@](#): > > The evidence presented here powerfully refutes the widespread popular belief that America’s Hispanics have high crime rates. Instead, their criminality seems to fall near the center of the white national distribution, being somewhat higher than white New Englanders but somewhat lower than white Southerners. Taken as a whole, the mass of statistical evidence constitutes strong support for the “null hypothesis,” namely that Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age. > > We must bear in mind that most Hispanics are still of very recent immigrant origins and thus are considerably poorer than the average American. There actually does exist a connection between poverty and crime, even if liberals make such a claim, and since today’s Hispanic population has roughly the same crime rate as far more affluent whites, there is every reason to expect that this crime rate will drop further as Hispanics continue to move up the economic ladder. As the American Enterprise Institute’s Douglas Besharov pointed out in an important but insufficiently noticed October 2007 New York Times column, the last decade or two have seen an extremely rapid economic advance for most of America’s Hispanic population.[10] This rise may be connected with the simultaneous and unexpectedly rapid drop in urban crime rates throughout the country. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2766 "2016-03-20T20:51:09Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Whoa - a poll by the more liberal-leaning Utah newspaper finds that Trump is slightly trailing Clinton in Utah. Sanders has an even bigger lead on Trump. > > [http://m.deseretnews.com/article/865650513/Poll-Utah-would-vote-for-a-Democrat-for-president-over-Trump.html](http://m.deseretnews.com/article/865650513/Poll-Utah-would-vote-for-a-Democrat-for-president-over-Trump.html) > > Pretty crazy. Utah has gone for the Republican candidates for fifty straight years. Unsurprising-the Mormons, despite their conservative politics, are quite collectivist in their culture and way of thinking and thus they naturally for whomever their leaders and superiors (like Romney) favour ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2767 "2016-03-20T20:54:41Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I feel exactly the same. We’ve played into Trump’s hands: his fans ignore any criticisms because anti-Trump folks are prone to exaggeration and alarmism. The problem is that there’s not really any hyperbole this time. The issue is, we’ve said that stuff as hyperbole so often that people are immune to it. For example, calling someone a Nazi or fascist is a common epithet. So when we talk about Trump’s fascistic policies, people ignore it. We’ve called smaller things racist, so it’s hard to point out blatant racism. To be fair, we never thought we’d have a candidate that was this bad. We assumed Bush was the worst we could get. But the guy is Jesus next to Trump. The issue is that the “alarmism” on the left is actually literally true for once. But we cried wolf too many times to be listened to. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2768 "2016-03-20T21:04:50Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Unsurprising-the Mormons, despite their conservative politics, are quite collectivist in their culture and way of thinking and thus they naturally for whomever their leaders and superiors (like Romney) favour Like Bernie Sanders? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2769 "2016-03-20T21:46:07Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The problem is that there’s not really any hyperbole this time. The issue is, we’ve said that stuff as hyperbole so often that people are immune to it. > > For example, calling someone a Nazi or fascist is a common epithet. So when we talk about Trump’s fascistic policies, people ignore it. We’ve called smaller things racist, so it’s hard to point out blatant racism. > > To be fair, we never thought we’d have a candidate that was this bad. We assumed Bush was the worst we could get. But the guy is Jesus next to Trump. > > The issue is that the “alarmism” on the left is actually literally true for once. But we cried wolf too many times to be listened to. Ironically although you are correct to denounce hyperbolic rhetoric of “fascism”, you are simultaneously calling the Donald by the same anachronistic ideological moniker. Do you think past American right-wing populists such as Joe McCarthy and George Wallace were also fascists? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2770 "2016-03-21T02:45:52Z")
[Jerry Delemus has been named an alternate Trump delegate to the convention.](http://gawker.com/trump-campaign-names-veterans-for-trump-co-chair-unde-1766073798) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2771 "2016-03-21T03:01:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Jerry Delemus has been named an alternate Trump delegate to the convention.](http://gawker.com/trump-campaign-names-veterans-for-trump-co-chair-unde-1766073798) Even though he was indicted, Trump really can pick them huh? BTW Arpaio was also indicted, that is why he is in court for contempt after all. Trump did not care that this is **still** going on while Trump invited him to his rally. > **[Sheriff Arpaio admits to crimes in order to avoid trial. Victims: 'This won't...](https://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/3/19/1371893/-Sheriff-Arpaio-admits-to-crimes-in-order-to-avoid-trial-Victims-This-won-t-fly)** > > Yes I'm guilty. Can we move on now? > > Very quietly this week, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's attorneys filed papers admitting that the ... > [@](#): > > None of Judge Snow’s orders was followed; in fact, Arpaio arrogantly bragged to the press that he’d continue conducting sweeps, which he did. After months of stonewalling and noncompliance by Arpaio’s office, during which he destroyed evidence, the judge finally had enough and scheduled a contempt of court hearing for April 21. It is that contempt charge, as well as the original profiling indictments, that Sheriff Arpaio admitted to this week. > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > The Sheriff will personally accept responsibility for himself and for the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office and offer an apology for the violations both to Plaintiffs and the Court. > > > > ``` > > Sheriff Arpaio’s lawyers hope that his public groveling, including an offer to make a personal $100,000 donation to a civil rights group, will stem the need for a hearing next month. Of course, given Arpaio’s war chest for the 2016 race, a Legal Defense Fund he established to bilk wingers and his own wealth, $100,000 is walking-around change. Victims of Arpaio’s vindictiveness and bigotry are not swayed by his cockamamy bribes or confessions: > **[Will tight-lipped judge throw book at Sheriff Joe?](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2016/03/01/tight-lipped-judge-throw-book-sheriff-joe/81168020/)** > > A federal judge offers a few clues into his mindset as he weighs the outcome of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's civil-contempt case ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2772 "2016-03-21T03:48:43Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Unsurprising-the Mormons, despite their conservative politics, are quite collectivist in their culture and way of thinking and thus they naturally for whomever their leaders and superiors\*\* (like Romney) \*\*favour Bolding is mine. Where exactly did Romney indicate to the “collectivist” Mormon hive mind you speak of that he favors Hillary or Bernie? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2773 "2016-03-21T04:45:21Z")
The Republican National Committee chairman is saying having the most delegates heading into the convention doesn’t necessarily guarantee the nomination. While I’m in favor of anything that denies Trump the nomination, I have to wonder what the point is of having primaries if this is true. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2774 "2016-03-21T05:26:24Z")
Its the dynamics, the tension between the running dog jackals of the Ruling Class faction and the Batshit Baboon Brigade. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2775 "2016-03-21T11:31:20Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Obama has to repudiate Wright because his views were so far out on the fringes. **Sheriff Joe doesn’t come across as a traitor** , and the statements he makes on the stump and what he has become a symbol for are consistent with Trump’s anti-illegal-immigrant position. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Jerry Delemus has been named an alternate Trump delegate to the convention.](http://gawker.com/trump-campaign-names-veterans-for-trump-co-chair-unde-1766073798) > [@](#): > > In 2014, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy organized an armed standoff with agents from the federal Bureau of Land Management. The 64-page, nine-count indictment issued earlier this month names DeLemus as a “mid-level leader and organizer of the conspiracy,” and alleges that he and eight others “planned, organized, led, and/or participated as gunmen in the assault, all in order to threaten, intimidate, and extort the officers into abandoning approximately 400 head of cattle that were in their lawful care and custody.” Reverend Wright said some angry things about America. Gerald DeLemus was part of an active armed conspiracy against the federal government. How are you feeling about your earlier choice of the T-word now, **Hank**? Think Trump is going to repudiate DeLemus? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2776 "2016-03-21T13:31:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > … notice that Arpaio is still sheriff, because apparently the people of his county like the stand he’s taking. Well, maybe. Since Arpaio is under indictment for using the power of his office to intimidate and harass his political opponents I think I’d take the Maricopa County electoral process with a grain of salt. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > The Republican National Committee chairman is saying having the most delegates heading into the convention doesn’t necessarily guarantee the nomination. While I’m in favor of anything that denies Trump the nomination, I have to wonder what the point is of having primaries if this is true. The point of having primaries is for one candidate to win an absolute majority of delegates. What the RNC is saying is that a plurality of delegates isn’t enough. We actually have the same rule in presidential elections - if no candidate wins a majority of electors, the House of Representatives chooses the next president. Yes, it’s horribly undemocratic, but this is American Democracy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2777 "2016-03-21T15:29:21Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I would like to find any evidence that Mexico is _sending_ anybody. Aren’t they coming on their own? You are absolutely correct. No one is sent anywhere here. Unless it is to prison. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2778 "2016-03-21T15:32:39Z")
Under Obama, more have gone home - er, “self-deported” - than have arrived. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2779 "2016-03-21T16:12:22Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Trump specifically said Mexico is not sending their best, they are sending people with problems/criminal drug dealers and rapists. They’re not **sending** anybody. Trump is implying that there is some sort of Mexican government agency or something in charge of emigration, which is nonsense. Nobody is in charge of it but self-employed coyotes. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2780 "2016-03-21T16:14:39Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > They’re not **sending** anybody. Trump is implying that there is some sort of Mexican government agency or something in charge of emigration, which is nonsense. Nobody is in charge of it but self-employed coyotes. And? Are you under the impression that I agree with Trump’s assessment? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2781 "2016-03-21T16:18:24Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Trump specifically said Mexico is not sending their best, they are sending people with problems/criminal drug dealers and rapists. I don’t care how many times you’ve gone over it - that doesn’t mean “Mexicans are rapists” Actually, what Trump said is exactly that: that Mexican immigrants are rapists. > [@](#): > > [When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/08/donald-trumps-false-comments-connecting-mexican-immigrants-and-crime/) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2782 "2016-03-21T16:22:22Z")
[“Well, somebody’s doing the raping, Don! I mean somebody’s doing it! Who’s doing the raping? Who’s doing the raping?”](http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/07/01/donald-trump-comments-sot-tsr.cnn) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2783 "2016-03-21T16:30:50Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Actually, what Trump said is exactly that: that Mexican immigrants are rapists. No, no, he did not mean “They’re rapists,” he meant **“therapists.”** Not many people know that at least 15% of Mexican immigrants to the U.S. in the past 10 years are psychiatrists, psychologists or licensed clinical social workers who volunteered to cross the border to help white Americans deal with the culture shock of their declining majority status. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2784 "2016-03-21T16:31:54Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Actually, what Trump said is exactly that: that Mexican immigrants are rapists. Mexican immigrants /= Mexicans He also said > [@](#): > > Many fabulous people come in from Mexico and our country is better for it. But these people are here legally,and are severely hurt by those coming in illegally," wrote Trump. “I am proud to say that I know many hard working Mexicans—many of them are working for and with me…and, just like our country, my organization is better for it.” Again, I am not defending his position, just pointing out what he actually said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=138) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=140)