# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 146
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2905 "2016-03-27T13:46:25Z")
The work visa programs are so abused they should be terminated just as a matter of good policy. There are zero jobs in the US that cannot be filled by Americans and legal immigrants who didn’t come in through a work visa. The problem is that companies don’t want to pay. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2906 "2016-03-27T14:04:09Z")
So make 'em pay? Companies don’t always have to like policy yanno. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2907 "2016-03-27T14:34:29Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The work visa programs are so abused they should be terminated just as a matter of good policy. There are zero jobs in the US that cannot be filled by Americans and legal immigrants who didn’t come in through a work visa. The problem is that companies don’t want to pay. I agree with this, but I don’t see why 10% of black voters would change their votes because of it. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2908 "2016-03-27T14:44:20Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > So make 'em pay? Companies don’t always have to like policy yanno. The point is that companies are R voters /contributors. And it’s the R rank-and-file who’re upset over immigration. So the issue is a no-win for the R politicians. Whichever way they move they’re stuck pissing off one or the other set of their must-have supporters. Better to just mumble and hope the Ds don’t make this a central issue. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2909 "2016-03-27T15:45:59Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I agree with this, but I don’t see why 10% of black voters would change their votes because of it. The tactic would be to get some number of Black voters to join in on bashing an other other. Could he pull it off without alienating the rest of his base? Would picking Carson as VP or at least as a prominent proxy help him in any way? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2910 "2016-03-27T16:15:47Z")
The people who are upset about H1B visas are almost all white and Asian-Americans, mostly in the tech sector. A skilled black tech worker would be in high demand as companies strive to make their workforce as diverse as possible. I can’t see H1B visas flipping any black votes to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2911 "2016-03-27T20:04:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Will they get into a shootout with the [Lion’s Guard](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-militia-forms-to-forcefully-protect-rally-goers-against-far-left-agitators/), which are also promising to protect Trump rallies? I have a hunch those guys were a joke put on by some pranksters. Have any of them actually shown up to any Trump events? They put right on their front a quote from Mussolini. If they were actual Trump supporters and were going to put an actual quote from an actual fascist leader, wouldn’t they go for Adolph Hitler? Particularly since most of their manifesto reads like it was written by an 8th grader? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2912 "2016-03-27T20:45:26Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I have a hunch those guys were a joke put on by some pranksters. Have any of them actually shown up to any Trump events? > > They put right on their front a quote from Mussolini. If they were actual Trump supporters and were going to put an actual quote from an actual fascist leader, wouldn’t they go for Adolph Hitler? Particularly since most of their manifesto reads like it was written by an 8th grader? In other words, a Trump supporter. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2913 "2016-03-28T00:15:39Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The tactic would be to get some number of Black voters to join in on bashing an other other. Could he pull it off without alienating the rest of his base? Easy, if the other other is Mexicans. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2914 "2016-03-28T00:25:16Z")
The presumption was that the other others would be Mexicans and Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2915 "2016-03-28T00:25:27Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The point is that companies are R voters /contributors. And it’s the R rank-and-file who’re upset over immigration. > > So the issue is a no-win for the R politicians. Whichever way they move they’re stuck pissing off one or the other set of their must-have supporters. Better to just mumble and hope the Ds don’t make this a central issue. So the R’s piss somebody off. It isn’t as if they have made abortion illegal, or made Obama a 1 term president. It’s politics- they just need to jerk the base around again until the voting is over, then proceed to do whatever the hell they want. Or pacify those R companies with giant tax cuts, fat military contracts, etc. The point is to win the election, not be logically consistent. And if president Trump follows through and lifts up poor urban youth in this way, the white racist base probably won’t be doing enough homework to even notice. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2916 "2016-03-28T00:52:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The work visa programs are so abused they should be terminated just as a matter of good policy. There are zero jobs in the US that cannot be filled by Americans and legal immigrants who didn’t come in through a work visa. The problem is that companies don’t want to pay. J-1 visas aren’t necessarily work visas - high school exchange students, for example, use the J-1 visas. Maybe we should eliminate overseas high school exchange students? Yeah, that will solve the inner city youth unemployment problem. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2917 "2016-03-28T01:04:07Z")
> [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](#): > > J-1 visas aren’t necessarily work visas - high school exchange students, for example, use the J-1 visas. Maybe we should eliminate overseas high school exchange students? Yeah, that will solve the inner city youth unemployment problem. :rolleyes: Hell, I think it’s all foreign students. IIRC, the future **Mrs. Siam Sam** was on a J-1 visa as a graduate student at the U of Hawaii. I can assure everyone she did not abuse her visa or contribute to inner-city unemployment, nor did any of the other foreign students I’ve known. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2918 "2016-03-28T01:29:33Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Hell, I think it’s all foreign students. IIRC, the future **Mrs. Siam Sam** was on a J-1 visa as a graduate student at the U of Hawaii. I can assure everyone she did not abuse her visa or contribute to inner-city unemployment, nor did any of the other foreign students I’ve known. But but she was unfair foreign competition in the dating pool and got you! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2919 "2016-03-28T01:38:00Z")
There’s J-1, and there is H1-B. The latter is specifically a foreign worker visa. My secondary cite of Trump’s website _does_ mention J-1s specifically, but haven’t H1-Bs come up in the debates? All of the programs seem to get lumped together under “guest worker visa” rhetoric. I don’t think this is just all in my head. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2920 "2016-03-28T01:43:23Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > But but she was unfair foreign competition in the dating pool and got you! > > 🙂 Well, my previous stint in Thailand had already pushed my preference away from the local lasses anyway. Although there were some pretty cute Hawaiian girls running around, I’ll clue ya. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2921 "2016-03-28T12:42:02Z")
Thanks to George Takei for the link: [The Gettysburg Address if it had been made by President Trump.](http://angrystaffofficer.com/2016/03/08/the-gettysburg-address-the-donald-trump-version/) > [@](#): > > But really, we can’t make this place any more special than they did by winning so hard, unless it’s to build a brand new Trump Towers – Gettysburg – that’s right ladies and gentlemen, that’s right, right here, right where you’re standing, we’re going to build this yuge tower, and oh my goodness, it will be so special, so big. You’ll just get sick from how big it is. You say to yourself, “Hey, I wonder if anyone will remember this place.” And now you don’t have to wonder anymore because you’ll be able to see it from miles and miles away, that’s how yuge it will be. We’ll make those rebels remember this place where they lost, where they became losers. I really hate losers. I hate them so much that we’re going to keep on winning, just to show them how much of losers they really are, that’s what we’re going to do. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2922 "2016-03-28T12:50:27Z")
“And who is going to pay for it?” _“MEXICO!!”_ ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2923 "2016-03-28T12:55:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The work visa programs are so abused they should be terminated just as a matter of good policy. There are zero jobs in the US that cannot be filled by Americans and legal immigrants who didn’t come in through a work visa. The problem is that companies don’t want to pay. … and that the first alternative to hiring foreigners to come and work for you may be to offshore the job completely. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2924 "2016-03-28T13:09:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > … and that the first alternative to hiring foreigners to come and work for you may be to offshore the job completely. Though sending hotel beds to China to change the sheets might be problematic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=145) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=147)