# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/281 "2015-09-25T18:49:42Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > It’s been 25 years since he’s been remotely insightful. He’s still funny on Wait Wait, Don’t Tell me on NPR ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/282 "2015-09-25T19:12:33Z")
“Hell, I put on a three piece suit when I get out of bed to go to the bathroom!” ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/283 "2015-09-26T01:51:44Z")
[Don’t suggest Trump’s crowds are anything less than The Biggest Groups Of People To Ever Assemble](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/trump-empty-chairs-associated-press-214046) or he shall become quite cross and call you a poopy-head: > [@Politico](#): > > Donald Trump is not happy with the Associated Press photographer who took a [picture](http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/GOP-2016-Trump/9a62dfc440d241a7be3f7bdd70a87872/10/0) showing a significant number of empty chairs at a South Carolina event on Wednesday — so unhappy he called him a “f\*\*\*ing thief,” according to the Daily Mail. > > [snip] > > On Wednesday, he [said](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-fox-news-213971) he would no longer appear on Fox News, which responded that Trump "doesn’t seem to grasp that candidates telling journalists what to ask is not how the media works in this country.” Later, he [agreed](http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/09/donald-trump-roger-ailes-to-meet-and-discuss-differences-of-opinion-214025) to a meeting with Fox News CEO Roger Ailes to discuss “differences of opinion,” the network said in a statement. Of course, the money quote is right here: > [@](#): > > “Tell them they’re a fraud, whoever took it. I just got killed on that thing, and **it was just really unfair. It’s goddamn unfair** ,” [Trump] told [The Daily Mail](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248214/It-s-godd-n-unfair-Trump-says-photos-half-South-Carolina-ballroom-look-like-schmuck-audience-crowded-podium-near-him.html#ixzz3mhPvpRo3). Oh, my sweet Summer child. You have no fucking idea. The GOP has not yet begun to ratfuck! Wait until they get _scared_ and begin a Swiftboat campaign against your sorry ass. My only regret is that Trump seems to be declining too quickly for that to really start happening in earnest. Pity. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/284 "2015-09-26T06:43:04Z")
[Now Trump is getting booed for attacking Rubio](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/25/donald-trump-booed-conservatives-marco-rubio) but, of course, Trump hears cheering. Textbook narcissism: > [@The Grauniad](#): > > For the first time since running for president, Donald Trump got booed on Friday among a crowd of staunch conservatives. > > At the Values Voter Summit, a gathering of social conservatives in Washington DC, Trump received an angry response after calling his fellow Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio “a clown”. > > Trump later [told reporters](https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/647454346284769280), “those weren’t boos, those were cheers.” > > [snip] > > The boos weren’t the only negative reaction that Trump got from the audience. When the Republican frontrunner claimed that he won the most recent GOP debate based on polls, an audience member shouted: “No, you didn’t.” > > **After speaking, Trump left quickly without taking questions from reporters.** If the GOP wanted to really start messing with Trump, all they’d need to do is plant a few hecklers and make the narrative around Trump about how he’s too weak to take criticism or even be in the same room with people who disagree. (I know, I know, two in a row, but this is just too good. And it isn’t like it’s not sourced.) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/285 "2015-09-26T07:08:20Z")
I’ve been telling my FB friends who support this tabloid fodder that Trumpy will be out of the race by Christmas or early January. Let’s make that Halloween instead, and I’m being generous. My point is the same as when this thread started: He Doesn’t Want the Job. He simply wants the attention. He’s done a great job in exposing racists and the uneducated (tea baggers) as his supporters though. So I’ll give him that. And anyone old enough to have voted for Perot is probably still on their latest dose of Trump-meth. Maybe they’ll disprove me with a pie-chart. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/286 "2015-09-26T08:34:33Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > By the way, in the latest Fox poll, 65% of likely Republican primary voters said that they feel betrayed by the Republican party. > > [middle snipped] > > The fervent hope of some Republicans that these voters will somehow change their opinion once the actual primaries roll around is silly. The expectation that everyone who says they are a likely voter in a survey actually votes is also pretty silly. It’s been a while since I looked, but the early Trump surge among “likely” voters included good chunks in demographics who don’t vote as often as they say they are going to. That’s an issue if you are Trump. It’s an issue that can be addressed to some extent by registration and get out the vote efforts. Trump’s early organization tended to focus on motivated but inexperienced staff. Can he hire enough of the political insiders to bridge the gap? Will he? We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/287 "2015-09-26T15:07:06Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > Can he hire enough of the political insiders to bridge the gap? Will he? We’ll see. Will he have time to do so before his campaign implodes? I had no idea that Trump was as thin-skinned as all that. (Thanks, **Derleth** , for posting that stuff!) You can’t survive in electoral politics if stuff gets under your skin that easily. Now that everybody knows it, he’s a dead man walking. His image as the strong, successful man who would fix everything that was wrong with our country will be popped like a balloon. People like Obama and Hillary who get shit thrown at them pretty much nonstop must be rolling their eyes at 78 rpm. > [@Derleth](#): > > Oh, my sweet Summer child. His sweet summer is _gone_. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/288 "2015-09-26T16:07:28Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I had no idea that Trump was as thin-skinned as all that. (Thanks, **Derleth** , for posting that stuff!) No problem. It was my pleasure. _Believe me._ (_Mua-ha-ha-ha…_) > [@](#): > > Will he have time to do so before his campaign implodes? Alas, I fear not. The epic curb-stomp I was vainly fantasizing about last summer is most assuredly going to remain a pleasant vision. > [@](#): > > His sweet summer is _gone_. [_Evil laughter intensifies_] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/289 "2015-09-26T16:08:34Z")
After many a summer dies the swine. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/290 "2015-09-27T17:00:39Z")
There’s a [new NBC/WSJ poll](http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-2016-gop-race-n433991) out, Trump’s in a statistical dead heat with Carson, 21% for Trump and 20% for Carson, respectively. Fiorina and Rubio at 11%, nobody else above 7%. By **Terr** ’s logic, you can only compare a poll with a previous poll done by the same pollster. The previous NBC/WSJ poll was in late July, and had Trump at 19%. So according to **Terr** , Trump’s poll support continues to increase! But oddly enough, his support has been increasing to, um, \*increasingly \*smaller numbers of late. Kinda reminds me of how the Germans back on the home front figured out they were losing the war: the glorious victories the German army was winning were taking place closer and closer to home. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/291 "2015-09-27T17:34:26Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > There’s a [new NBC/WSJ poll](http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-2016-gop-race-n433991) out, Trump’s in a statistical dead heat with Carson, 21% for Trump and 20% for Carson, respectively. Fiorina and Rubio at 11%, nobody else above 7%. Promise: if the CNN conducts another poll with the same company that did that -8% outlier recently and shows the same (or worse) result, I will admit that Trump is losing support after the second debate. Otherwise the jury is still out. What the latest NBC poll showed is that Carson/Fiorina gained a lot of support. But they apparently gained it from contenders other than Trump. Which is great. Still 50%+ for the never-held-a-political-office block. ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/292 "2015-09-27T23:23:41Z")
Despite the attacks on Marco Rubio and not taking the anti-Muslim supporter, seems Trump is now neck and neck with Ben Carson, but ahead of Carly Fiorina. He has lost his lead, but he still is in the lead. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/293 "2015-09-27T23:32:03Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Promise: if the CNN conducts another poll with the same company that did that -8% outlier recently and shows the same (or worse) result, I will admit that Trump is losing support after the second debate. Otherwise the jury is still out. What the latest NBC poll showed is that Carson/Fiorina gained a lot of support. But they apparently gained it from contenders other than Trump. Which is great. Still 50%+ for the never-held-a-political-office block. Yer funny, and your promise is on a par with “if we’re down by 30 in the 4th quarter, I’ll concede we’re losing.” FWIW, Trump’s support in that CNN/ORC ‘outlier’ is \<1% from the current RCP mean. Your definition of ‘outlier’ must be as amusing as that of your definitions of ‘increasing’ and ‘decreasing,’ and your crazy rules for interpreting poll results. Hey, good news for you! McClatchy/Marist did a national GOP primary poll back in March, when Trump’s support was essentially nonexistent. But they haven’t done one since! Maybe they can do another poll when Trump’s support drops into single digits, so you can point to M/M and say Trump’s support is still increasing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/294 "2015-09-27T23:35:22Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > FWIW, Trump’s support in that CNN/ORC ‘outlier’ is \<1% from the current RCP mean. It’s not the number that is the outlier, because the number varies very much with every organization’s poll setup. It is the difference from the previous number, that was done with the _same_ setup, that is the outlier. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/295 "2015-09-28T01:20:52Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It’s not the number that is the outlier, because the number varies very much with every organization’s poll setup. It is the difference from the previous number, that was done with the _same_ setup, that is the outlier. Ah, I see: the previous poll showed an artificially _high_ number for Trump. Thanks for clearing that up. Now, let’s get back to this: “It’s not the number that is the outlier, because the number varies very much with every organization’s poll setup.” 1. We can see how much the numbers vary with each organization’s poll setup. They publish their results, after all. Sometimes the numbers vary more than others between polls, sometimes they’re quite consistent. 2. But that variance between different polls is why you see what story all the quality pollsters are telling you, taken together. There’s sampling error, which is the published +/-X%, and there’s a variety of kinds of nonsampling error as well. And the standard meaning of ‘outlier’ (with respect to polling results, rather than individual data points) is with respect to the polls taken as a group. Now you can make words mean whatever you want: there’s glory for you. But your conversations are gonna get awkward, and it’s really incumbent on you to make the case why you’re right in your way of defining things, and everyone else is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/296 "2015-09-28T01:46:09Z")
> **[Media thumps Trump, but polls show he’s winning big](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/255032-media-thumps-trump-but-polls-show-hes-winning-big/)** > > Despite an eight-point drop in one poll, Trump is the clear GOP front-runner. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/297 "2015-09-28T09:44:57Z")
More “winning glorious victories closer to home” stuff. Can’t wait for that next McClatchy-Marist poll. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/298 "2015-09-28T11:08:31Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > More “winning glorious victories closer to home” stuff. Can’t wait for that next McClatchy-Marist poll. Well you have to admit that shortening your own supply lines whilst simultaneously forcing the enemy to lengthen theirs does give you a bit of an advantage. Trump is cleverly allowing some candidates to stay in longer to force them to spend extra money that they won’t be able to spend on…integrity…such as that of health care in the America…of the US…and…therefore…Mexico will have to build that wall and Make America Great Again! Did you know he’s rich? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/299 "2015-09-28T16:40:40Z")
No! Really? Shit, why didn’t he mention it? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/300 "2015-09-28T16:50:17Z")
Hey, here’s [Trump’s tax plan](https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform)! The top tax bracket’s gonna drop from 39.6% to 25%, he’s gonna cut the corporate tax rate to 15%, and he’s gonna abolish the Federal estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. And he’s also gonna cut taxes some for the rest of us, but these are the biggies. He’ll pay for all this by “Reducing or eliminating deductions and loopholes available to the very rich,” except that “Charitable giving and mortgage interest deductions will remain unchanged for all taxpayers.” Hey, sounds like the same way supposed budget wonk Paul Ryan was going to pay for a rather similar set of tax cuts. So on taxes at least, it looks like Trump’s found his way to the GOP mainstream. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=16)