# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 166
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3305 "2016-04-08T05:50:23Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > The lack of ideological thinking on this thread is stunning. Even after months of political success, people here (possibly due to many of them being oldthinkers having intellectually matured in the postwar American atmosphere declaring the end of ideology as outlined by men like Daniel Bell or somewhat later, the grandiose declarations of the “end of history” given by the likes of Fukuyama after the fall of the Soviet Union) still seem to see TRUMP as just a celebrity pseudo-candidate who is but a flavour of the month just like Herman Cain or Rick Perry in 2012 even after months of electoral victories in every region of the country. They fail to see that TRUMP has espoused a coherent vision of “radical centrist” populist nationalism since at least the 1980s and that he is leading an ideological revolution in a major party not seen since Goldwater’s “movement conservative” takeover of the GOP in 1964 and McGovern’s New Left capture of the Democratic Party in 1972. Instead they refuse to see History has indeed returned, The conceptual atrophy manifests as [strategic atrophy](https://news.usni.org/2015/05/14/mattis-u-s-suffering-strategic-atrophy) on the geo-political chessboard. > [@](#): > > that there indeed will be no Millennium of free trade Kantian utilitarianism and instead (perhaps somewhat more uncomfortably each time the Donald wins a new state) tune into John Oliver’s latest joke about “Drumpf” (that must be the most overhyped “joke” if it deserves to be called that in the history of humanity). [They tried so hard, too.](https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=drumpf%2C%20cuck&date=today%203-m&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B5) There are some things that most people who join in with the mob using the Drumpf label don’t understand. One of them is that Oliver’s campaign is a concerted PR assault on the growing Trump brand, and is thus a tacit admission of the overwhelming power of the brand in Trump’s fight for the presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3306 "2016-04-08T05:58:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Discordians expect that then most will see how wrong it was to select a shitty candidate, and will learn a lesson. The problem with that idea is that history teaches us that it usually does not work that way in real life. I am aware of the worse-is-better argument that you are describing, which doesn’t really match up very well with the discordian Wikipedia page you linked to. And neither of them describe Bank’s, who called Trump the only one with the balls to go after big business, and somewhat supports his position on immigration: [“Not for any other reason than black Americans still not having been paid reparations for slavery and the influx INTERNATIONAL immigrants (not just Mexicans), are sucking up state aid, and government money, space in schools, quality of life etc??”](http://radio.com/2015/09/08/azealia-banks-donald-trump-immigration-policy/) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3307 "2016-04-08T06:02:49Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > There are only five Western states left. California, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington, and Montana. They represent a total of 295 delegates, and 172 of them are in California, where Trump is leading in the polls by about 8 percent. California is Congressional district win, not statewide. Places with very small Republican party registrations such as San Francisco and Marin County will have a much bigger influence than hugely Republican districts such as the district northeast of Sacramento. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3308 "2016-04-08T06:22:50Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > I am aware of the worse-is-better argument that you are describing, which doesn’t really match up very well with the discordian Wikipedia page you linked to. And neither of them describe Bank’s, who called Trump the only one with the balls to go after big business, and somewhat supports his position on immigration: > > [“Not for any other reason than black Americans still not having been paid reparations for slavery and the influx INTERNATIONAL immigrants (not just Mexicans), are sucking up state aid, and government money, space in schools, quality of life etc??”](http://radio.com/2015/09/08/azealia-banks-donald-trump-immigration-policy/) We already talked about this, that talking point did not work with black Americans in the past elections. The vast majority of Black Americans do know already that what the Republicans are doing is just setting a false dilemma, and it is just a red herring to justify the lack of help to low income areas and the students and the parents of those students in those areas. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3309 "2016-04-08T06:28:38Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > I found Banks in 2012. She is not just “a rapper”. She is a genius who has written some of the best lyrics strung together out of English words. Ever. Shakespeare was _almost_ as talented (and his stuff is similarly crude and violent). " Kick it with your bitch who come from Parisian She know where I get mine from, and the season Now she wanna lick my plum in the evenin’ And fit that ton-tongue d-deep in I guess that cunt getting eaten I guess that cunt getting eaten I guess that cunt getting eaten I guess that cunt getting eaten I guess that cunt getting eaten " Oh aye, that pisses all over the Crispin’s Day speech. This really gives some good insight into your claim that Trump is an expert communicator. I like AB just grand (although Slay-Z is weak compared to 1991) but trying to pass her off as some linguistic genius is desperation or/and trolling. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3310 "2016-04-08T06:35:14Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > I am aware of the worse-is-better argument that you are describing, which doesn’t really match up very well with the discordian Wikipedia page you linked to. I forgot to add this: I’m not saying that all the ones that subscribe to that worse-is-better argument are discordians, only that it fits a lot of what they do think about; the point stands, they are not your friends. And the reasons for voting for trump they are giving are not really worth defending, but it seems that you do want to lie in bed with them. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3311 "2016-04-08T14:03:17Z")
**Qin** does bring a point, Trump is the so far succesful face in the USA of “populist nationalism” which HAS been trending up in many places around the world, only that up to now it had tended to be associated with “foreign” _ideologically_ neosocialist or neofascist movements like Chavez in Venezuela and the various European neonationalist parties, and as far too often it was assumed America was excepted – but that did not count on the rise being NONideogical but rather grievance-based. Meanwhile, Banks ISTM is basically saying “yeah, he’s what this shitty country deserves” – she’s sort of the mirror image to Susan Sarandon who implied that absent Bernie, maybe a Trump term would help accelerate the revolution. Of course, what do either of them care about all the people for whom their desired upheaval would mean pain. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3312 "2016-04-08T14:15:01Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Okay, you’re kinda right. Kinda. > > I think Trump will probably hold on to New York, mainly because a) Cruz so badly insulted the state, b) it’s Trump’s home state, and b) anyone who doesn’t like Trump will probably go to Kasich. Cruz is hoping to dominate in Upstate and Western New York, but that won’t be enough, and he’ll split with Kasich. > > But I think that this is about as far as Trump goes. I think Trump could possibly win one or two other of the Northeastern states in which he’s been projected to do well, but Cruz will probably steal a state or two. And he will dominate the race as it heads West. Thing is, there’s a lot of delegates at stake in the Northeast, more than in the West (save California). Right now, using the sources I have, Trump has 743 delgates to Cruz’s 517. There are 95 at stake in NY and 71 more in Pennsylvania. If Trump gets, say, 77 in Ney York and 50 in Penn., and adds 43 (out of a possible 101) from the other 4 states on 26 April (CT, DL, MD, RI), he’ll have 913 or nearly 75% what he needs. Cruz will trail by over 300 delegates, since Kasich may run Trump closer in some places than he will. So California (with 172 delegates) may end up playing a very critical role this year, unlike in many previous presidential primary campaigns. We shall see. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3313 "2016-04-08T15:30:12Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Trump doesn’t have a recognizable ideology. He’s a salesman. He’s just trying to sell his product. And satisfy his Jupiter-size ego. He’s not even a salesman. He is, and has always been, a shyster. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3314 "2016-04-08T15:58:44Z")
[William Hague: Donald Trump is speaking harsh truths, and the world needs to listen](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/06/donald-trump-is-speaking-harsh-truths-and-the-world-needs-to-lis/) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3315 "2016-04-08T16:04:15Z")
That is not exactly an endorsement of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3316 "2016-04-08T16:06:15Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > [William Hague: Donald Trump is speaking harsh truths, and the world needs to listen](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/06/donald-trump-is-speaking-harsh-truths-and-the-world-needs-to-lis/) Why should anyone in the world listen to [William Hague](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hague)? He’s a motherfucking Tory. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3317 "2016-04-08T16:15:35Z")
Hank Beecher is still scraping the bottom of the barrel for renown Trump supporters, and as \*\*Really Not All That Bright \*\*noted, not an endorsement really; and as **BrainGlutton** showed, he is what Trump would call a Loooooooser! > [@](#): > > He resigned as Conservative Leader after the 2001 general election following his party’s second landslide defeat, at which the Conservatives made a net gain of just one seat; **he thus became the first leader of the party, since the role was established in the early 1920s, not to be elected Prime Minister.** [2] ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3318 "2016-04-08T16:19:11Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Why should anyone in the world listen to [William Hague](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hague)? He’s a motherfucking Tory. Perhaps because he makes some good points, and gives a window into the foreign perspective on this whole shitstorm. I still contend that a significant number of Trump’s supporters are idiots, but idiots can vote too. And yeah, that is clearly not an endorsement in any way, shape, or form. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3319 "2016-04-08T16:20:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Why should anyone in the world listen to [William Hague](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hague)? He’s a motherfucking Tory. So you can support Sanders even though he is anti-Nuke, anti-GMO, anti-science kook who stated that women are to blame for their own cervical cancer, due to not having good enough orgasms. But not a conservative Brit, now that’s just over the line, he shouldn’t even be listened to. Got it. The blatantly partisan underpinning of the selective application of critical standards is one of the things that people choosing to support Trump are tired of. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3320 "2016-04-08T16:29:59Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > But not a conservative Brit, now that’s just over the line, he shouldn’t even be listened to. > > Got it. > > The blatantly partisan underpinning of the selective application of critical standards is one of the things that people choosing to support Trump are tired of. It would help if you actually read what William Hague is saying about Trump. > [@](#): > > **Two characteristics make Trump fundamentally unfit to be president** : his attitude to women and the way he treats rivals. The first of these, including crude and offensive remarks about female interviewers and candidates, shows deeply patronising instincts. > > This isn’t just foul manners. It really matters because the way to liberate the greatest quantity of untapped talent in the 21st century is to achieve the full social, political and economic empowerment of women. **Having a leader of the world’s most powerful country who shows no recognition of that cannot be a good idea.** > [@](#): > > For one thing, Ted Cruz, the Wisconsin winner, might be little better. It is a sign of how desperate the Republican establishment has become that they are pleased by the victory of an ultra-conservative, evangelical Tea Party candidate. \*\*Cruz espouses a foreign policy as dangerous as Trump’s but in different ways: sabre rattling instead of isolationist. \*\*Even if Cruz continues to do better at the ballot box, that should not distract from the fact that many millions of people have been voting for Trump, and my experience of 30 years of elections is that when you think voters might have gone mad, they are actually trying to tell you something. And then he makes the point that they have good reasons for their “madness”, but it is still the wrong approach to support Trump, or Cruz for that matter. > [@](#): > > Trump’s other main policy with an impact on all of us is trade protectionism: he wants to impose swingeing tariffs on imports from China and Mexico, and withdraw from new trade agreements. This would be another disastrous act. It would result in widespread retaliation against American products, higher prices for consumers, and lower growth for the world. For Britain, the ninth largest exporter in the world, such policies would be very bad news indeed. One gets the impression that you read only the title of the article and that made Hague an ‘instant supporter’ of Trump, no easy pickings indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3321 "2016-04-08T16:33:16Z")
I love how the best supporters of Trump that **Hank Beecher** can find are a poseur anarchist rapper who thinks Trump is great because he’ll destroy “the man”, and an article by a British politician who says Trump is “fundamentally unfit to be president”, and “What (Trump) is advocating is the collapse of the entire security architecture of the western world.” Those are some top endorsements, you betcha. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3322 "2016-04-08T16:33:50Z")
GIGO: What are you going on about? I read the article before I posted it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3323 "2016-04-08T16:40:36Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > GIGO: What are you going on about? I read the article before I posted it. As the link was made with no explanation the impression left is indeed the one of the title, in reality the article tell us that Trump is a dangerous man that should never had been considered for higher office; that a good chunk of people in America (not enough to win the presidency as the polling shows) thinks that he should be the shitty candidate that “shitty America” deserves is not a good reason to vote for him indeed. What Hague actually did say in context was needed to be remarked, just saying. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3324 "2016-04-08T16:43:05Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I love how the best supporters of Trump that **Hank Beecher** can find are a poseur anarchist rapper who thinks Trump is great because he’ll destroy “the man”, and an article by a British politician who says Trump is “fundamentally unfit to be president”, and “What (Trump) is advocating is the collapse of the entire security architecture of the western world.” > > Those are some top endorsements, you betcha. QFT. You betcha. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=165) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=167)