# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 178
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3545 "2016-04-12T22:30:09Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Arpaio is symbolic of anti-illegal immigrant sentiment, which Trump is certainly not going to repudiate. > > He will stop featuring him if he manages to win the primary, though. He is there to gain the support of the wide swath of voters who’s desire for stronger border enforcement has been pandered to way more than it has been acted on. But it **has** been acted on. [From 2011, but I doubt things have changed much since then:](http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/06/26/90b_spent_on_border_security_with_mixed_results/) > [@](#): > > HIDALGO, Texas — As Congress debates border funding and governors demand more aid to curb illegal immigration and other problems, government records show that taxpayers have spent $90 billion over 10 years to secure the US-Mexican border. > > The Associated Press tallied the combined costs using White House budgets, reports obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests, and congressional transcripts. > > Among the expenses: > > ■ Deployment of 1,200 National Guard soldiers for one year: $110 million > > ■ One rail cargo X-ray screening machine: $1.75 million > > ■ Average annual salary of a Customs and Border Protection officer: $75,000 > > ■ Cost of a drug-searching dog: $4,500 > > For taxpayers footing these bills, the returns have been mixed: fewer illegal immigrants but little impact on the terrorism issue, and no stoppage of the drug supply, officials said. So: The border has not been secured against drug smuggling – but, WRT illegal immigrants, there has been some improvement. More importantly, after spending all that money on it, **obviously the border is already as secure as it is ever going to get.** All that **reasonably** can be done to control the border is being done. (A wall running from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico is not a reasonable thing.) ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3546 "2016-04-12T22:32:11Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He has no authority. How hard is that to understand? > He is limited to enforcing Arizona law. To be able to work, illegal immigrants generally have to break Arizona laws against using false identification. [Joe Arpaio - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Illegal_immigration_enforcement) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3547 "2016-04-12T22:32:57Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Of course another cause is the[violent, reactionary, authoritarian streak](https://youtu.be/xRlRAyulN4o?t=380): You just can’t **stand** it when somebody else poaches that, can you?! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3548 "2016-04-12T22:35:25Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > To be able to work, illegal immigrants generally have to break Arizona laws against using false identification. [Joe Arpaio - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Illegal_immigration_enforcement) Sure, your link says that, but it also says: > [@](#): > > Starting in 2005, Arpaio regularly conducted saturation patrols and immigration sweeps, targeting Latino neighborhoods.[131][132] Some of these sweeps have targeted day laborers.[133] > > Arpaio has run a large number of operations targeting business employing Latinos, and arresting employees who are illegal aliens for identity theft. According to Arpaio, 100 percent of the persons arrested for using stolen IDs in 57 raids conducted up until March, 2012, were illegal immigrants.[134] > > Until 2011, when a Federal District Court injunction halted the practice, Arpaio maintained an immigrant smuggling squad which stopped cars with Latino drivers or passengers, to check their immigration status.[135][136] > > Arpaio has said, of his anti-illegal immigration efforts, “Ours is an operation where we want to go after illegals, not the crime first…It’s a pure program. You go after them, and you lock them up.”[137] Isn’t most of that fairly well outside the scope of a sheriff’s duties? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3549 "2016-04-12T22:37:11Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > It means that Trump is using him to pander to anti-illegal immigrant sentiment. That’s Arpaio’s position, it’s what he talks about, what he represents. If Trump wanted to pander to racist sentiment he would feature David Duke instead. No, he would feature Joe Arpaio, who is just as racist but safer. There is really no meaningful distinction that can be drawn here between “anti-illegal immigrant sentiment” and racism. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3550 "2016-04-12T22:38:36Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > but, WRT illegal immigrants, there has been some improvement. More importantly, after spending all that money on it, **obviously the border is already as secure as it is ever going to get.** That’s an odd thing to say. You might reasonably argue that we have reached or passed the point where the benefits stop outweighing the costs. But to say that the border could not possibly be any more secure? That’s a weird, extreme, magical thinking kind of conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3551 "2016-04-12T22:42:26Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You just can’t **stand** it when somebody else poaches that, can you?! 😃 I have certainly never advocated that High School sports coaches teach their athletes to react to hecklers with “a bloody bone-breaking beatdown”. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3552 "2016-04-12T22:43:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No, he would feature Joe Arpaio, who is just as racist but safer. There is really no meaningful distinction that can be drawn here between “anti-illegal immigrant sentiment” and racism. Just because you are colorblind does not mean that blue and green do not exist. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3553 "2016-04-12T22:45:41Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Just because you are colorblind does not mean that blue and green do not exist. Wrong illegal aliens. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3554 "2016-04-12T22:57:58Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Isn’t most of that fairly well outside the scope of a sheriff’s duties? Identity theft is a state and local issue as well as a federal issue. Unless you believe sherriffs should not protect their citizens from identity theft. National security is also a federal function, yet help in preventing terrorist attacks is appreciated and encouraged, as is help dealing with the drug trade. Help is not wanted in immigration because the federal government does not want the laws enforced well. But that’s okay, because illegal immigration tends to be intermixed with crimes states do have jurisdiction over(identify theft, driving without a license, human trafficking, drug smuggling). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3555 "2016-04-12T23:05:52Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > I have certainly never advocated that High School sports coaches teach their athletes to react to hecklers with “a bloody bone-breaking beatdown”. Of course that is unacceptable – but telling them to just take it, as you apparently would have the coach do, is no less so. We’re not talking about “heckling,” we’re talking about race-baiting, and nobody has to take that. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3556 "2016-04-12T23:21:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Identity theft is a state and local issue as well as a federal issue. Unless you believe sherriffs should not protect their citizens from identity theft. National security is also a federal function, yet help in preventing terrorist attacks is appreciated and encouraged, as is help dealing with the drug trade. Help is not wanted in immigration because the federal government does not want the laws enforced well. But that’s okay, because illegal immigration tends to be intermixed with crimes states do have jurisdiction over(identify theft, driving without a license, human trafficking, drug smuggling). And even I can agree with many of those efforts, ([except the drug war, what you mentioned there is yet another reason why we should end the stupid war](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJUXLqNHCaI)) but what **Hank Beecher** and you are ignoring is that Arpaio got into legal problems because _ **legal** _ Hispanic residents and even _ **citizens** _ were arrested or stopped and their rights affected by those efforts, Arpaio is now into more legal problems because he resorted to contempt of court when he openly avoided what was agreed with Arpaio to prevent those abuses from happening. Arpaio now got into even worse legal problems when he investigated the very same judge’s wife in his case in an attempt of intimidating or set up an automatic conflict of interest to make the case go away. _ **Just about then** _ the Republican senators from Arizona advised the candidates to stay away from Arpaio. **But Trump just loved what he saw** , the media also has just about ignored the joining of the hips of Trump and Arpaio and remembering what Obama had to do to deal with unfortunate associations, seeing Arpaio get a big welcome to Trump rallies does tell me that conservatives like you are indeed trying to tell minorities that it is raining when they are really peeing on us. (Obama had to leave his church and condemn reverend Wright just for words that he said, while Arpaio already abused the rights of many). ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3557 "2016-04-12T23:42:05Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > I am aware of his position and his statements. :rolleyes: Nope, as you demonstrate later: > [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > He has heavily pandered to an ignorance laden movement with his advocacy and implementation of GMO labeling, as well as his alternative medicine quackery. The anti-GMO movement is responsible for the deaths and disabilities of millions of African and Indian children from starvation and malnutrition. And here you are more concerned that Arpaio’s deputies pulled over a brown American dude to find out if he was legal. It’s these kinds of whacked priorities that cause more and more of us to want no association at all with most lefties any more. And yes, no thanks accepted from you then, because I already posted this before in another thread to reply to about your sorry attempt there at twisting the actual positions of a candidate. > [@Sanders's Supporters Brownshirts Stop Trump Rally in Chicago](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/354): > > I’m afraid that regarding the anti-GMO item your sources have passed you only part of the whole truth. Sanders is only in favor of labeling, but regarding the use of GMOs [what he said was]" It is not my view, nor have I suggested, that GMO food causes health problems." From an [AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/iama/comments/36j690/i_am_senator_bernie_sanders_democratic_candidate/creg5lk?context=1) in Reddit. So yes, I don’t expect you to change your sorry rhetoric, but I expect many others to see how bad your ignorance is and how dumb then that bit of yours about “It’s these kinds of whacked priorities that cause more and more of us to want no association at all with most lefties any more.” was based on ignorance and bad sources. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3558 "2016-04-12T23:47:11Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > This is just stupid. > > Dennis Kucinich appeals to antisemites, because he shares their position on Israel/Palestine. That does not mean that he is antisemitic, or that his popularity is being largely driven by antisemitism. I said it was beside the point whether or not Trump himself is a racist. I’m saying he appeals to the racist segment of the GOP base. I remember one poll in which 16% of Trump supporters said they believed white people were a superior race. I don’t know if that accounts for all the racist Trump supporters, maybe some people didn’t answer the pollster honestly, maybe there are other kinds of racists, I dunno. In any case, we can only say that racists are a portion of Trump’s support. But I think he has courted those voters- note that he has a higher percentage of self-professed white supremacists among his supporters than any other candidate, driven IMHO by assertions like, “Mexicans are rapists” or “We should ban Muslims from entering the country.” Seriously, which candidate’s message do you think is going to resonate most with [this guy](http://www.teamjimmyjoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/BadTattoosForehead.jpg)? > [@](#): > > Racists have all kinds of different views. Many would prefer white nationalism over American nationalism, but they prefer American nationalism and multi-racial nativism over open borders and increased immigration. The interests of black Americans are mostly the same as those of other Americans, even the racist ones. Everyone benefits from security and a strong economy which provides good jobs. I don’t think Trump boils down to just racism. We can debate Americans’ interests, approaches to security, immigration, the economy and all the rest. Trump isn’t one dimensional, neither is the GOP base. But racists prefer Trump, and that does not appear to me to be accidental. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3559 "2016-04-12T23:53:38Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Everyone benefits from security and a strong economy which provides good jobs. No doubt, but that has fuck-all to do with [immigration](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Immigration_myths_and_facts). ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3560 "2016-04-13T00:09:35Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Of course that is unacceptable – but telling them to just take it, as you apparently would have the coach do, is no less so. We’re not talking about “heckling,” we’re talking about race-baiting, and nobody has to take that. Actually, you kinda do. It’s illegal to respond to words with force, and you will be subject to arrest for assault if you hit someone, no matter how offensive they are being. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3561 "2016-04-13T00:55:39Z")
Saying things to get into your opponents head is a basic tactic of competitive sports. And teaching students to keep their cool when this happens is a basic duty of a teacher/coach. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3562 "2016-04-13T01:02:49Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Bill O’Reilly may be the only person [more racist than Donald Trump](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/11/bill_o_reilly_is_really_racist.html): Here’s a little something from my favorite parody site: [http://harddawn.com/bill-oreilly-irish-terrorist-quisling/](http://harddawn.com/bill-oreilly-irish-terrorist-quisling/) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3563 "2016-04-13T01:04:07Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Saying things to get into your opponents head is a basic tactic of competitive sports. And teaching students to keep their cool when this happens is a basic duty of a teacher/coach. Encouraging racism has no place in high school or any other place. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3564 "2016-04-13T01:19:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, you kinda do. It’s illegal to respond to words with force, and you will be subject to arrest for assault if you hit someone, no matter how offensive they are being. No, they don’t get to hit in retaliation for non-violent verbal race-baiting. But neither do they have to take it. That’s why the coach did the right thing by handling it administratively – not reacting with violence and not brushing it off. And that teaches the girls to follow the coach’s example in the future. Isn’t that exactly how we should **want** people in general behaving – standing up for themselves, but in an orderly rule-of-law sort of way wherever possible? That’s a **lot** more important than: > [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Saying things to get into your opponents head is a basic tactic of competitive sports. And teaching students to keep their cool when this happens is a basic duty of a teacher/coach. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=177) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=179)