# Trump's Republican primary campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828 "2015-09-03T18:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 180
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3585 "2016-04-13T19:12:47Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Megan Kelly??!! > [@running\_coach](#): > > Yep. No, it was Megyn Kelly. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3586 "2016-04-13T20:00:41Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The number of supporters saying blatantly racist things is not insignificant. If anything, it’s his supporters that reinforce the racism message. That’s not what I am seeing. How is your sample being chosen? I have been watching a lot of the different footage of protests, and things put out by Trump supporters and surrogates. The only place I am seeing a prevalence of racism is in stuff cherry picked by click-bait media sources, obviously intended to further the narrative that Trump and his supporters are literally Hitler. I am witnessing way more racial idiocy and general idiocy from Bernie and his supporters than I am from Trump and his supporters, who seem more like normal working class Americans, generally. Bernie bros outnumber Trumpists by a factor of between 50-1 and 100-1 among my acquaintances, though, so that could be throwing off my perception of the gross levels of stupidity. > [@](#): > > [But hardly a unique occurrence](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/students-held-trump-cutout-chanted-build-wall-article-1.2547486). > I guess those Latinos should just learn to suck it up, huh? Chants of “USA USA”? Um, yeah they sure are going to have to learn to suck it up, if they are going to continue to be bothered by the mildest possible expressions of nationalism from natives of the country where they are citizens or residents. Especially when Mexican flags and chants about Mexico are common at sporting events on both sides of the border, when Mexican Americans or Mexican immigrants are present. It’s unreasonable to expect that Americans will continue to exhibit the extraordinary level of submission required to refrain from responding in kind to racial/nationalist rhetoric directed at them from others. > [@](#): > > endless right-wing sources complain Muslims never condemn Muslim terrorism. Your selective attention is not indicative of reality. It takes some very selective attention to only see complaints coming from right-wing sources, and to be characterized as claiming “Muslims never condemn Muslim terrorism”. That’s not really what is being said by anyone who matters. [By The Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Demographics](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk) ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3587 "2016-04-13T20:19:21Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Oh - so they’re not legally bound to anyone, but, by a curious coincidence, they all happen to be Ted Cruz fans? Sneaky! It’s not a curious coincidence. It was a well executed plan by the Cruz campaign. [Last August](http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote) (when no one thought Trump would make it to the end of the year, much less be a front runner), Colorado Republicans decided not to ask for presidential preference at their caucus. Instead the process was that each precinct would meet and choose delegates that would go to the county caucuses. Were you to have shown up, you’d not be voting for Cruz or Rubio or Trump, you were voting for your neighbor Lee Smith to represent your precinct at the county level - however Lee saw fit. At the county level, they would choose people to go to the legislative district level, who would choose people to go to state convention who would choose people to go to the national convention. The precincts gathered in March. The candidates had 6 months to find supporters and make sure that their supporters would show up and move forward to the next level. The Cruz campaign did its job. The Trump campaign didn’t. That’s not sneaky, it’s a good ground game. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3588 "2016-04-13T20:35:33Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > I am witnessing way more racial idiocy and general idiocy from Bernie and his supporters than I am from Trump and his supporters, who seem more like normal working class Americans, generally. Normal white working-class Americans usually **are** rather racist. Which you knew. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3589 "2016-04-13T21:00:37Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Normal white working-class Americans usually **are** rather racist. Which you knew. I doubt if they’re any more or less racist than any other white Americans, especially if you define “racist” as “can’t understand why minorities cling to their destructive counter-cultures rather than assimilate”. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3590 "2016-04-13T21:03:01Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Normal white working-class Americans usually **are** rather racist. Which you knew. Is it your opinion then that non-white working class Americans are less racist than their white counterparts? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3591 "2016-04-13T21:11:36Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Is it your opinion then that non-white working class Americans are less racist than their white counterparts? Oh, I’m sure many of them have their own racism, seeing the whites as The Other. But, as you know, the racism of the overdog and the racism of the underdog are never exactly comparable, the latter is simply an inevitable reaction to the former. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3592 "2016-04-13T21:13:04Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > I doubt if they’re any more or less racist than any other white Americans, especially if you define “racist” as “can’t understand why minorities cling to their destructive counter-cultures rather than assimilate”. Irrelevant, since nobody with any sense would even think of defining “racist” that way. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3593 "2016-04-13T21:19:41Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > I doubt if they’re any more or less racist than any other white Americans, especially if you define “racist” as “can’t understand why minorities cling to their destructive counter-cultures rather than assimilate”. The culture of black Americans is as old and influential as any culture in the country. And since the vast majority of black Americans are not violent, which aspect of their culture should they abandon? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3594 "2016-04-13T21:20:10Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Normal white working-class Americans usually **are** rather racist. I disagree. I find racism to be uncommon, but not rare. If normal working-class Americans were as racist as you claim, then they would be represented by politicians who openly pandered to their racist idiocy, in the way that Bernie has openly pandered to the anti-science idiocy common in Vermont and among his leftists supporters. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3595 "2016-04-13T21:45:03Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > I disagree. I find racism to be uncommon, but not rare. If normal working-class Americans were as racist as you claim, then they would be represented by politicians who openly pandered to their racist idiocy, in the way that Bernie has openly pandered to the anti-science idiocy common in Vermont and among his leftists supporters. Of course you do not think so, but even the courts over here already declared that Arpaio was doing racial profiling. As noted before, Trump loved what he saw. And a model to follow as Arpaio was reelected even with all those issues, because there is a good chunk of racists over here that do love someone that puts “those” people in their place. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3596 "2016-04-13T21:50:06Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Oh, I’m sure many of them have their own racism, seeing the whites as The Other. But, as you know, the racism of the overdog and the racism of the underdog are never exactly comparable, the latter is simply an inevitable reaction to the former. Is it your opinion then that the only racism that exists among non-whites is directed at whites only? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3597 "2016-04-13T22:23:46Z")
Here’s a new one (and a good laugh). Scottie Nell Hughes, a Trump surrogate, just gave on interview on CNN. She’s trying to float the idea that Trump’s campaign didn’t have a big staff to prepare for the ground-level delegate fight because he wasn’t taking money from PAC’s. So they knew the rules, but didn’t prepare anyway? Or didn’t have the money to learn the rules and comply with them? Uh, let me find the right words… Eeeeeeyeahrite. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3598 "2016-04-13T22:33:28Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Of course you do not think so, but even the courts over here already declared that Arpaio was doing racial profiling. > > As noted before, Trump loved what he saw. And a model to follow as Arpaio was reelected even with all those issues, because there is a good chunk of racists over here that do love someone that puts “those” people in their place. But he is doing the racial profiling in an attempt to see that laws, including immigration laws, are enforced. The justification is based on the reality that in Southern Arizona a Hispanic person is much more likely be an illegal immigrant or drug smuggler than a black or a white person. He isn’t racially profiling in order to implement any kind of race based _outcome_, at least not openly. That said I do not dispute your contention that there is “a good chunk of racists over here”. When I say racism is uncommon, I mean generally. I know there are subsections of America where it is common enough that “a good chunk” is a reasonable description. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3599 "2016-04-13T22:36:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Is it your opinion then that the only racism that exists among non-whites is directed at whites only? Of course not. That’s stupid. There is measurable racism by blacks against asians, by hispanics against blacks, and the like. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3600 "2016-04-13T22:49:13Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Of course not. That’s stupid. There is measurable racism by blacks against asians, by hispanics against blacks, and the like. But, none of that matters nearly as much as racism between whites and everybody else. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3601 "2016-04-13T22:51:42Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > The justification is based on the reality that in Southern Arizona a Hispanic person is much more likely be an illegal immigrant or drug smuggler than a black or a white person. But, a Hispanic person in Southern Arizona is not **more likely than not** to be an undocumented immigrant or a drug smuggler – is he/she? But Arpaio seems to think so. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3602 "2016-04-13T22:55:03Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, a Hispanic person in Southern Arizona is not **more likely than not** to be an undocumented immigrant or a drug smuggler – is he/she? Certainly not. Which is the basis of a good argument that the practice is unjust. > [@](#): > > But Arpaio seems to think so. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3603 "2016-04-13T23:16:35Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Cite? His actions. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/3604 "2016-04-13T23:41:01Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > So they knew the rules, but didn’t prepare anyway? Or didn’t have the money to learn the rules and comply with them? None of the above. (And not what the Trumpsters are saying either.) GOP delegates are mostly loyal Republicans. All the preparation and ground game in the world isn’t likely to change that. And loyal Republicans don’t want a hostile takeover of their party, that being what Trump (even more than Cruz) represents. If Trump – an outsider likely to have a plurality, but not a majority, of delegates – wins on the first ballot, it will be because party insiders think it harmful, to their party, to substitute their preference over that of the plurality of primary voters. Convincing polled voters that ignoring his plurality is unfair is Trump’s best strategy. And the best tactic to achieve their strategy may well be to whine about the establishment stealing the nomination. Trump’s obnoxiousness isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. It’s what got him this far. The last thing he needs is to let his supporters see him kowtowing to the GOP establishment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=179) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828.md?page=181)